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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:38 am 
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But for different reasons. For teachings of love and sharing. To teach how to make low cost and non harful fuels and means of transportations. But I think that's not what the government wants. They like the way things are now. They like the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. They like the power and control that money brings them They actually think that a system where one man has the right to run an entire country.


The only places where one man runs everything are countries like Saudi Arabia. In the United States we have three co-equal branches of government. The Executive(President),the Legislative(Congress) and the Judicial(Supreme Court).


The United States isn't run by one man, nor is the UK or Canada, or any other country for that fact.

A select group of people who own and influence much of what we see today, actually run most of the world. It's a hierarchy system, and if you go to the very top you will find about 100-200 or so people who are running the whole show.

There are very few problems and events that aren't engineered or controlled by these people. A sad but unfortunate fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:08 pm 
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Caper wrote:

The United States isn't run by one man, nor is the UK or Canada, or any other country for that fact.


Wrong. There are many countries which are run by one man. Saudi Arabia is run by one man:

As one of world's last absolute monarchs, the Saudi Arabian king exercises very broad powers. He is both head of state and head of government. Ultimate authority in virtually every aspect of government rests with the king. All legislation is enacted either by royal decree or by ministerial decree, which has to be sanctioned by the king. In his capacity as prime minister, the king appoints all cabinet ministers, other senior government officials, and the governors of the provinces. In his capacity as commander in chief of the armed forces, the king appoints all military officers above the rank of lieutenant colonel. He also appoints all Saudi Arabia's ambassadors and other foreign envoys. All foreign diplomats in the country are accredited to the king. In addition, the king acts as the final court of appeal and had the power of pardon.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... leader.htm

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A select group of people who own and influence much of what we see today, actually run most of the world. It's a hierarchy system, and if you go to the very top you will find about 100-200 or so people who are running the whole show.

There are very few problems and events that aren't engineered or controlled by these people. A sad but unfortunate fact.


This is typical of the 'victim' mentality held by many Muslim extremists. Always seeking to blame others for their own shortcomings. Muslim extremists are upset because their countries are so weak and the United States is so strong. So they come up with conspiracy theories.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:57 pm 
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There are some people who think that the Freemason's are still just a myth, a type of urban legend. And that anyone who believes in them is paranoid. So I guess anyone who has met a mason, must be nuts.

And some people think the Bilderberg group isn't real too. So hundreds of people must just imagine their annual meeting and all the security guards, I guess.

Secret groups exist whether people like it or not....and I suspect a lot hate the thought, which is why there is so much denial regarding the subject.

I said that most countries are playing ball with these groups, but the ones that aren't yet part of this global government, are actively being worked on. If enough pressure is applied...it buckles.

Supercarp, it seems you take the authorities word as gospel and don't give it a second thought. What the mainstream media tells us the troops are doing and what they are fighting for, is very different to the real reason we are there. The killing of innocent civillians, of children, the destruction of millions of homes.

It has nothing to do with seeking to blame someone, but has everything to do with facing up to the facts and not running away from them.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
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It doesn't matter what Stephen Hawking says, if aliens really do exist and wanted to made contact with human they would have already done that long long time ago.

If so many sighting by human on earth but non of the aliens are making contact then there must have been reasons for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:04 am 
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mapledm wrote:
It doesn't matter what Stephen Hawking says, if aliens really do exist and wanted to made contact with human they would have already done that long long time ago.

If so many sighting by human on earth but non of the aliens are making contact then there must have been reasons for that.


If they exist? It's the if part I don't understand, so what do you mean by if they exist.

I don't see there being any question about it, they do exist. And you say the aliens are not making contact, which is a pretty definite statement.

I'm sorry to rain on your parade but they have been making contact for hundreds of years, perhaps thousands.

It is the official word of authority which keeps too much in the dark, they simply deny the existence of extraterrestrial visitors and human contact.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:13 pm 
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Caper wrote:
There are some people who think that the Freemason's are still just a myth, a type of urban legend. And that anyone who believes in them is paranoid. So I guess anyone who has met a mason, must be nuts.


Freemasons exist but are not involved in a conspiracy that seeks world domination. The only people seeking world domination are Muslim extremists. Look at what Zacarius Moussaoui,the 20th 9/11 hijacker,said: 'We[Muslims] have to be the superpower'.

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Supercarp, it seems you take the authorities word as gospel and don't give it a second thought.


It seems to me you just mindlessly repeat the America-bashing propaganda you've been spoon fed.

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What the mainstream media tells us the troops are doing and what they are fighting for, is very different to the real reason we are there. The killing of innocent civillians, of children, the destruction of millions of homes.


Well now you're just lying. Millions of homes have not been destroyed. Didn't you know the Koran forbids lying:

'Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly' - Koran[2:42]

When you say millions of homes have been destroyed you are mixing truth with falsehood. Which means you are going against the teachings of the Koran.

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It has nothing to do with seeking to blame someone, but has everything to do with facing up to the facts and not running away from them.


Yes it has everything to do with Muslim extremists blaming someone else for their own shortcomings.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:17 pm 
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Supercarp, you keep mentiong the Qur'an. You keep referring to that text as if I were a muslim.

Let's get it straight. Mainstream media brings us bits and bobs of truth, regarding small and topical issues.

All the politcal, war and terrorism stuff is aired and presented in a way to convey a certain opinon and to manipulate the opinions of those watching it. In other words, to make the public believe that the news is trustworthy and impartial, and anyone saying otherwise is crazy.

If airing staged videos of multiple plane crashes doesn't count as lies and conspiracy....I'm not sure what does.

Millions of homes have been destroyed during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. And thousands of civillians have been killed in the process.

I'm blaming the perpetrators....no one else. Sorry, but it wasn't 19 extremists.....it was the factions of the US miltary and intelligence agencies.

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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
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Caper, one small correction is in order....well over one million civilians have been killed in Iraq.

And that number keeps growing along with the number of people who have basically lost everything, including hope of having anything remotely resembling a normal life.


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 Post subject: Re: Stephen Hawking
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:32 pm 
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David,with all due respect,you are off by about 900,000. Iraq Body Count lists civilian deaths in Iraq at between 96,098 and 104,826. Their website is http://www.iraqbodycount.org You can read about their data collection techniques here: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/about/

Caper wrote:
Let's get it straight. Mainstream media brings us bits and bobs of truth, regarding small and topical issues.

All the politcal, war and terrorism stuff is aired and presented in a way to convey a certain opinon and to manipulate the opinions of those watching it.


No it isn't. However your posts on this message board about politics,war,and,terrorism are presented in a way to convey a certain opinion and to manipulate the opinions of those reading it.

Caper wrote:
Millions of homes have been destroyed during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.


You think just repeating the same thing over and over again somehow makes it true? Nope.

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If airing staged videos of multiple plane crashes doesn't count as lies and conspiracy....I'm not sure what does.


There are dozens of eyewitness reports of airplanes hitting the Pentagon and the World Trade Center:

Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA TODAY
A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

Deb Anlauf
Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on.

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."

David Battle
Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking."

Omar Campo
Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head.

"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."

Gary Bauer, former Presidential candidate
“I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.

“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.

Mickey Bell
Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton´s headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much.

The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.

Mark Bright, Defense Protective Service officer
Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building.

"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.

He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.

James R. Cissell
''Out of my peripheral vision,'' Cissell said, ''I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower.

''If you couldn't touch it from standing on the highway, you could by standing on your car.''

In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind.

''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said.

He remembers the helipad the plane flew over before smacking into the Pentagon was close enough to him that ''I could have thrown a baseball at it and hit it.''

Dan Creed
He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.

"It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said.

"I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls.

Don Fortunato
“Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think.”

Afework Hagos
Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."

Tom Hovis
Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time.

As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me. Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage.

Terrance Kean
Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window.

"I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

Charles H. Krohn
One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs. Those fleeing the building heard a loud secondary explosion about 10 min. after the initial impact.

Maj. Lincoln Leibner
Maj. Leibner drove in and made it as far as the south parking lot, where he got out on foot. "I heard the plane first," he said. "I thought it was a flyover Arlington cemetery."

From his vantage point, Maj. Leibner looked up and saw the plane come in. "I was about 100 yards away," he said. "You could see through the windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit."

The plane came in hard and level and was flown full throttle into the building, dead center mass, Maj. Leibner said. "The plane completely entered the building," he said. "I got a little repercussion, from the sound, the blast. I've heard artillery, and that was louder than the loudest has to offer.

Elaine McCusker
Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just ‘No, no, no, no,’ because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash.

William Middleton Sr.
William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft.

Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.

Mare Ann Owens
Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.

The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.

Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon.

Christine Peterson
I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing.

And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire.

Frank Probst
American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

Clyde Ragland
Ragland described billowing black smoke and "what looked like white confetti raining down everywhere." He said it soon became apparent "that the 'confetti' was little bits of airplane, falling down after being flung high into the bright, blue sky."

Tim Timmerman
A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball."

Thomas D. Trapasso
Thomas D. Trapasso, a political appointee in the Clinton Administration who is now looking for work, was making telephone calls from his deck in Arlington Village, about 1 mi. south of the Pentagon and just west of the Interstate 395 (I-395) highway. He was startled by the large American Airlines aircraft flying about 300 ft. overhead. "The engines were just screaming, and the wheels were up," Trapasso said. "It disappeared over the trees, and I heard a boom. I knew something awful had happened--that an airplane had crashed somewhere in Washington, D.C.

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Supercarp, if you want to follow the official accounting by all means do so.

Anyone who tells it like it is will be discredited, just as many aging tea party members are being labeled as a threat to national security.

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