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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:38 am 
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Using UFOs For Espionage, Selling Secrets

Here's a way (hypothetically) someone in a UFO Organization can pass industrial espionage or secrets to another country and go undetected.

With MUFON for example, a person's address and identity is kept secret from the public. MUFON is big on Non-disclosure agreements. They want to protect the witness and also not have others interfere with a case.

So when the average person is reading a UFO report by MUFON you have to put your faith in the FI or MUFON chapter that the integrity of the information is legitimate. NUFORC is the same way.

It's hard to see if the person is real, a prank etc. because there is no way to verify a persons identity.

Now lets say someone working in the technology sector volunteers to be a field investigator. They appear legit but lets say some of these cases are fabricated. You can even have another party involved that lets off fire balloons or LED balloons or calls in phony reports using a phony name that the MUFON investigator would recognize.

The information of the UFO sighting is then posted online as a report. It looks like a legitimate UFO sighting with common things that are reported in UFO sightings such as trajectory, color, light, shape, date, location. It's really code words for the other side to decipher.

Due to the sheer volume of UFO reports and the confidentiality of the witness a good number of sightings like the lesser significant ones (lights) can go unnoticed or unverified.

People around the world read UFO reports so another person accessing the info from another country will not look suspect. The person volunteering at a UFO organization will have cover for their espionage activity. They are in the technology field so naturally topics like UFOs may seem interesting to them and nothing is made of joining a UFO organization.

Let's take it one step further. Let's say the United States of America has retrieved foreign technology that is extraterrestrial in nature. A person working on such programs takes a lifestyle polygraph with a TS/SCI clearance. We do all the work reverse engineering said technology and then the secrets are passed on via code in UFO reports that get little notice.

Money can be passed on to the other party so it does not look suspect. Maybe a donation or placed where an FI investigates a sighting.

Could this sort of thing could already be happening?

What's interesting if you look at some of the names in Ufology some people have interesting backgrounds. For example former MUFON ID James Carrion had a military intelligence background and also had an interest in the Russian language.

Check out this blurb:

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJIco5KUZY0gtzAQWM6hHM9Y6mPPravwLTwowrSqqVgDZghGYKr2VpD5vfAEl%2FTBMlFX9u0kkK0esG0hodDrONWYgd&b=29


"James Carrion presents Russian Espionage and UFOs his research as to the connection of Russian spies and the UFO phenomenon."

Look at his background:

James served for four years as a U.S. Army Russian Linguist in the Military Intelligence Corps
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/carrion-james/7342

James Carrion also ran the MUFON CMS database. He dealt with intelligence/ info gathering.

From my understanding James Carrion has lots of kids. I think there was also money issues when he was with MUFON or at least career reasons why to move on. He would be a target for foreign intelligence if they needed info whether through bribing or blackmail.

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMwZd3At1DUmW%2Bx2G5cGzNvmFsRzFmYsoAg%3D%3D&b=29

Peter Davenport was a Russian Translator and also lived there.

"he earned bachelor’s degrees in both Russian and biology...a Russian translator in the Soviet Union...an M.B.A. degree in finance and international business..."

Like James Carrion's stint with MUFON Peter Davenport gathers UFO data or info. Also like MUFON a UFO witness name is witheld.

Here's another person capable of espionage:

Jacques F. Vallee

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMwJJ2RVyCxSP6BbF5MXrPfKB8Qfc1oY9Fuag0204zmJIrHBg&b=29

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49% ... lo%3D&b=29

Jacques Vallee is involved with technology and has international ties. He has even visited the former Soviet Union and wrote a book about.

Some of his explanations for UFOs seem contradictory to his technology background

Stanton T. Friedman

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMxtc2wpzAQmf%2BxPM5c2kPbmWsQOe3ow5AqyFnXIgymkSqW5YNorZC1lzTgkfGD9J1lQOxc1JyhgT&b=29

He was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist by such companies as GE, GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell Douglas working in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear power plants for space and terrestrial applications.

Could Stanton T. Friedman be passing on info for cash? His background seems overqualified for the UFO subject matter working in classified projects. He seems very sympathetic to Israel. I recall in one of his books he claimed to do classified research into Russian rockets.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:32 pm 
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phillipkklass wrote:
Using UFOs For Espionage, Selling Secrets

Here's a way (hypothetically) someone in a UFO Organization can pass industrial espionage or secrets to another country and go undetected.

With MUFON for example, a person's address and identity is kept secret from the public. MUFON is big on Non-disclosure agreements. They want to protect the witness and also not have others interfere with a case.

So when the average person is reading a UFO report by MUFON you have to put your faith in the FI or MUFON chapter that the integrity of the information is legitimate. NUFORC is the same way.

It's hard to see if the person is real, a prank etc. because there is no way to verify a persons identity.

Now lets say someone working in the technology sector volunteers to be a field investigator. They appear legit but lets say some of these cases are fabricated. You can even have another party involved that lets off fire balloons or LED balloons or calls in phony reports using a phony name that the MUFON investigator would recognize.

The information of the UFO sighting is then posted online as a report. It looks like a legitimate UFO sighting with common things that are reported in UFO sightings such as trajectory, color, light, shape, date, location. It's really code words for the other side to decipher.

Due to the sheer volume of UFO reports and the confidentiality of the witness a good number of sightings like the lesser significant ones (lights) can go unnoticed or unverified.

People around the world read UFO reports so another person accessing the info from another country will not look suspect. The person volunteering at a UFO organization will have cover for their espionage activity. They are in the technology field so naturally topics like UFOs may seem interesting to them and nothing is made of joining a UFO organization.

Let's take it one step further. Let's say the United States of America has retrieved foreign technology that is extraterrestrial in nature. A person working on such programs takes a lifestyle polygraph with a TS/SCI clearance. We do all the work reverse engineering said technology and then the secrets are passed on via code in UFO reports that get little notice.

Money can be passed on to the other party so it does not look suspect. Maybe a donation or placed where an FI investigates a sighting.

Could this sort of thing could already be happening?

What's interesting if you look at some of the names in Ufology some people have interesting backgrounds. For example former MUFON ID James Carrion had a military intelligence background and also had an interest in the Russian language.

Check out this blurb:

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJIco5KUZY0gtzAQWM6hHM9Y6mPPravwLTwowrSqqVgDZghGYKr2VpD5vfAEl%2FTBMlFX9u0kkK0esG0hodDrONWYgd&b=29


"James Carrion presents Russian Espionage and UFOs his research as to the connection of Russian spies and the UFO phenomenon."

Look at his background:

James served for four years as a U.S. Army Russian Linguist in the Military Intelligence Corps
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/carrion-james/7342

James Carrion also ran the MUFON CMS database. He dealt with intelligence/ info gathering.

From my understanding James Carrion has lots of kids. I think there was also money issues when he was with MUFON or at least career reasons why to move on. He would be a target for foreign intelligence if they needed info whether through bribing or blackmail.

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMwZd3At1DUmW%2Bx2G5cGzNvmFsRzFmYsoAg%3D%3D&b=29

Peter Davenport was a Russian Translator and also lived there.

"he earned bachelor’s degrees in both Russian and biology...a Russian translator in the Soviet Union...an M.B.A. degree in finance and international business..."

Like James Carrion's stint with MUFON Peter Davenport gathers UFO data or info. Also like MUFON a UFO witness name is witheld.

Here's another person capable of espionage:

Jacques F. Vallee

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMwJJ2RVyCxSP6BbF5MXrPfKB8Qfc1oY9Fuag0204zmJIrHBg&b=29

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49% ... lo%3D&b=29

Jacques Vallee is involved with technology and has international ties. He has even visited the former Soviet Union and wrote a book about.

Some of his explanations for UFOs seem contradictory to his technology background

Stanton T. Friedman

http://www.zend2.com/bro.php?u=tclJP49%2FMxtc2wpzAQmf%2BxPM5c2kPbmWsQOe3ow5AqyFnXIgymkSqW5YNorZC1lzTgkfGD9J1lQOxc1JyhgT&b=29

He was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist by such companies as GE, GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell Douglas working in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear power plants for space and terrestrial applications.

Could Stanton T. Friedman be passing on info for cash? His background seems overqualified for the UFO subject matter working in classified projects. He seems very sympathetic to Israel. I recall in one of his books he claimed to do classified research into Russian rockets.


I personally know most of the people you have mentioned, and if my credibility is worth anything to any of you, these people - at least the ones I've spent time with at conventions and lectures - are not guilty of anything you have insinuated in your post. Rather, they have spent tireless years attempting to investigate and verify the secrets about UFOs our governments have attempted to poo-poo and in some cases possibly killed to protect. I do not believe that (regardless of their educations and government jobs associations) any of them were spies for or against our countries. I believe they - like us - simply want our countries to be honest with us. Countless witnesses to UFO sightings and contacts have had their reputations ruined and their lives threatened because they have been witness to extraordinary happenings... occurrences which should have been revealed to all of us truthfully, at the time they took place. I suppose it truly would be embarrassing for any government to have to admit that there are beings visiting earth and making personal contact with some of us - and that despite our countries' military might, they have no way to stop them. But I would rather have had our governments tell the truth, than to abuse, belittle, and ruin the futures of these witnesses - world-wide. At least researchers' perseverance after FOIA documents became available in the USA have yielded some interesting documents which lead us to believe that our governments know far more than they are willing to admit.

A few of us have remained unscathed and have never been threatened. Perhaps that's because the governments find we who are without degrees and without high profile jobs to be the "lesser of us" and not to be believed by the masses. But when you look at the stats world-wide, it's easy to see that more than 50% of the world's population now either have seen or believe it's possible that UFOs and people from off-world places are indeed probable.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:31 pm 
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@phillipkklass: and yuo really believe that a race who is 15,000 years older than terrestrial, come here and starts to make espionage with us or someone of us?

Look: Have you never been in the Amazon forest to make espionage with some gorilla? It is the same!

Please, stay on your feet and don't dream uselessly... ;)


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