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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:16 am 
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Yes, it's complicated, and may not be solved before you and I are gone... but if people survive long enough, hopefully the answers will be found. And if it isn't, then there will be another annhilation of the Earth, and it will start anew; however, since we have been in the computer age for 30 years, there will be far fewer drawings on the walls of caves for future people to discover...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:49 am 
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Written on the subway walls maybe.

That's one thing about computer records, once they're gone they're gone.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:45 pm 
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How about the subway trains? :lol:

Tweaked, the folks who came before us had computers and lots of other technology, but for reasons not clear, they ended up running around the jungle, wearing next to nothing and their memory in tatters.

That's always been something that has fascinated me, how did they forget where certain places where? It's obvious that some remembered....but it's all quite distorted and not in order. It seems everyone on the planet experienced a huge upheaval....which in turn caused them to become partially amnesic.

There goes Darwin.....riding high on that tidal wave! :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:27 pm 
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I don't think amnesia is the primary cause of civilizations starting over.. and over... and over, again.

What seems more logical to me is... pockets of people here and there, around the earth, survived, and because they had little in the way of re-creation skills (such as, no more computers, electricity, paper, pencils & pens, and no knowledge of how to make them), they carved and drew with primitive tools many of the things they could remember, and they sat around fires with their families and friends and told them about the way life USED to be. These stories, down through the 100+ generations, became known as Legends & Folklore - considered obsolete or at least only partly correct, by the past several generations' scientists.

Just to put all this in modern perspective, imagine if you will what would happen if tomorrow all the satellites are disabled, (no telephones, no radio, no internet, no way of finding out where or how our friends in other places are) and the cars with computer chips won't start. Gasoline can't be pumped. Stores can't ring up purchases. New deliveries can't be made to replenish anything. The seeds from GM crops won't grow when they're planted. When it's dark, it's REALLY dark. When it's cold, unless you can find a way to start a fire, you will suffer or freeze to death. When it's hot, it's REALLY hot, and with no A/C, shade becomes a luxury. When your ammo runs out, how do you find the components to make more? When your guns no longer function, how can you repair them?

It's a grave scenario. And the cycle of rebuilding must commence all over again, from scratch. Within 4 generations, what this generation of survivors knows to be fact, becomes Legend and Folklore.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:37 pm 
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Tweaked, I get that and agree with you.

To be clear, I don't think amnesia is what is causing civilizations to start over again, I just think the amnesia is a by-product, a side effect of the upheavals. The mind blocks the trauma of the upheaval, so everyone is partially or fully amnesic...only remembering bits and bobs.

Everyones account differs, but everyone agrees there was a very big flood and more than one flood. So the above sentence, about the trauma, etc, may explain why everyones account is either lost or that it differs slightly, because after such a traumatic event, most won't be able to remember such an event clearly.

What I suggest is causing civilizations to re-start is, natural earth upheavals & wars/weaponary.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:00 am 
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ET are not big on humor...nor are they into games......like guess what this is (in reference to another crop circle).


I never heard such nonsense! You seem to have an infinite knowledge of what 'Aliens' are big on, or not. Care to post a source or link for your claims about them? Of course not, because you don't have any more evidence than the believers do for what these CC's are, or even who designs them. However, some of us are serious researchers, and not just here, putting our thoughts out there just to see our names in print!

Bower and Chorley, the supposed originators of CC’s, who created one or two incredibly amateur 'crop circle’s.' were both con artists. In no way could their CC’s be termed ‘crop-circles’ in the accepted sense. They were childishly amateurish… my five year old nephew could come up with better designs with a bucket and spade.

They were both illiterate drunken sots, and how anyone with half a brain cell could have believed that they were responsible for any, let alone all crop-circles simply beggars belief. But, that myth still survives today, despite them having been roundly debunked, and despite the recordings from earlier centuries of this phenomenon.

And yet, many did believe them. However, I doubt very much that these two morons were time travellers, so I wonder how they accomplished those crop-circles that were reported in the 1500’s, or at any other time in history.

In any event, many of these crop-circles appear overnight, and don’t believe people who say that this is easy to achieve by hoaxers with a plank and string. I live out in the sticks, and any one, or all three of my dogs would let me know, in no uncertain terms if’n any half-cut revellers or students on a field trip were out there, even two fields over. Some of these designs would take more than a dozen participants to create overnight. The more people there are, the more likely they are to be heard, or spotted.

And, trust me; a good giveaway would be the lighting needed to design and produce some of these CC’s. A lot of lighting, not just for the intricate ones either… I can assure you that I myself, or any of my neighbor Farmers would see those lights. They can’t be done by torchlight! Anyone who believes that has never seen a real CC!

Rid yourselves of any notion that these folk (Farmers), are country bumpkins; they ain’t! Farmers are first and foremost businessmen and women. I have Farmers to the south, east and west of me, and let me tell you that we are all of us very much aware of security maintenance. Moreover, I don’t know a Farmer that doesn’t have more’n one dog! Believe me, the lighting necessary for these CC's would be spotted for miles around, especially in open countryside!

I agree that some are hoaxes... however a good proportion of them, more than the statistics imply, cannot be explained. There are scientific aspects to this phenomenon, such as the fact that the stems are not broken or damaged in any way, Its my personal belief that they may be binary codes or something scientifically/mathematically similar. In fact some have been designated mathematical by experts!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:06 am 
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Some very interesting results from scientific research archives by Michigan biophysicist W.C. Levengood regarding Crop Circles… I've just quoted a small part of his research here, but supplied the link for anyone who is equally as interested.


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The plant aberrations described above are thought to be caused by exposure of the plants to a complex atmospheric plasma energy system which is emitting heat (probably microwaves) in association with unusual electrical pulses and strong magnetic fields. The microwave component heats up the internal moisture in the plant stems (even mature crop nearing harvest contains some moisture), turning it to steam. In younger crop, where the external fibers are more elastic, the steam seeps out at the nodes by stretching these fibers; in older crop, where the external fibers are tougher and less elastic, the build-up of steam explodes out from the nodes, creating the holes subsequently found.

The final effects on the individual plants depend upon a number factors, including the complexity and intensity level of the microwave component (which varies in each event and from location to location within any given crop circle), the modifying influence of the electrical pulses also involved, as well as the species, variety and age of the plants involved.

Beer-Lambert Principle. A clear indicator of the electromagnetic nature of the energies which cause node-length change in crop circles is the discovery that, in some formations, node-length change decreases from the center of the circle out to its edges in a very precise manner.

In fact, these node-length changes were found to agree with a well-known law in physics -- the Beer-Lambert Principle -- which describes the absorption of EM energy by matter. In these cases the node-length increase was greatest at the center of the circle, decreasing as a function of sampling distance away from the center and toward the perimeter.

Example 1, below, is of a completely flattened circle; examples 2 & 3 each had a standing central tuft. (See link for samples).

In another case, involving a simple circle in southern Holland, a bright "pinkish-purple" football-shaped light was seen to hover low over a field. It then elongagated into a disc-shaped light, subsequently discharging an energy (described by the witness as "like the Shuttle") down toward the crop surface, at which time the plants flattened into a circle.

This circle was carefully sampled along three diameters and, in the laboratory, it was found that the node-length changes on both sides of each sampled diameter precisely mirrored each other -- but each diameter's node-length changes differed from those found along the other two diameters. Exactly how this effect could have been produced is not understood.

Laboratory Replication of Crop Circle Plant Changes. Apical node (the first node beneath the seed-head) elongation and expulsion cavities (holes blown out at the lower plant-stem nodes) have been induced in normal plants in the laboratory by placing them in a commercial microwave oven for between 20-30 seconds.

It is microwave radiation, here, that is heating up the moisture inside the plant stem which--as it turns to steam and expands--either stretches the more elastic fibers at the top of the plant, or blows holes in the tougher nodes farther down the plant stem.

The more positive plant changes--enhanced growth rate, increased yield & increased stress tolerance--observed in the laboratory in seedlings grown from cropcircle plants which were mature when the crop circles occured, have also been replicated in the laboratory. In 1998 W.C. Levengood and John Burke obtained a patent (Patent #5740627) on equipment they developed which delivers unusual electrical pulses to normal seed. Called the MIR process and carrying the registered Trademark "Stressguard," this equipment creates organized electron-ion avalanches which then form organized plasmas, to which seeds are exposed.


http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:28 am 
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There have never been any aircraft, or any supports seen, or army employees around, or men in safety equipment, or anything at all to recommend that the army is behind plants groups. :?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:23 am 
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I beg to differ with you. People at last year's IUFOC had been in a crop circle a couple of years earlier, when a black helicopter circled overhead while there were approximately 40 people at various points in the circle, and then sprayed them all with some sort of tear gas or burning sensation-like gaseous substance that caused them to choke and run from beneath the chopper, to get out of the circle. It was presumed that the farmer had sprayed them with some sort of pesticide, but when they recovered, about 45 minutes later, and some of them went to get checked-out at a local medical facility, nothing showed up on their skin or clothing. Tell ME that's not a Black-Ops, government operation...

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I agreed with Timbit that statistic should be 99% are extraterrestrial, and 1% are man made.


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