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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:08 am 
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Tiamat: After reading your thoughts on how I might have scratched my feet, I got my wife to help help me experment some.

Now, that night, my feet were cut, bleeding, and brused, on the top of my foot, just back a little from my toes. The scratches were like a cats scratch would be or like it was done with a wire brush. The bruse ran completely across the foot.

When I first noticed it I went in the bathroom and ran cold water on my feet to help reduce the swelling and take away the burning sensation. About two hours later my wife woke up and I showed them to her, they were a little less swollen than before but it was still evident that something had happened, and we don't have a cat.

By evening the feet were like new again.

Today we attempted to create that same effect using jusy one foot against the other and could not come even close to what it was like. ???

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:47 am 
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Ok am not telling that every abductions or OBE was LD, but some of them could to be.

Anyway am not sure that abductions could be explain by aliens as visitors from other material space, they could be ghosts. There is so many unexplained stuff.

Lately i found that more am interested about UFO or meet aliens, then more i got weird experiences. For example i got much often dreams about UFO, which contain some (probably important) symbols. But not only dreams, because more often i got paralyze, some energy vibrations, even OBE. Meybe its result of my meditations which i believe will lead me to meet aliens (but believe to meet aliens could be just motivation to meditations and whole strange effects are because meditations and not motivation source= aliens)

Few days ago i got to sleep in strongly wish to meet aliens. I used hand symbol of "amen" and concentrate on love (well exacly it was love to aliens, no matter how they could be ugly or something) This night i got dream about me and friends who seen flying saucer over our city and we watch at sky and run to these lights. This dream end when saucer land over me and i feel sucking inside (this feel of sucking was very real, and you may call it teleport to ship) I was inside metal house where was hard to recognize where is floor and where is roof and where is walls, because interior have strange "abstraction" shape. Maybe there was many pipes and machinery (teleport room) From that room i flyed to other room which was empty and dark and inside was some beings waiting for me. Then at some moment dream turn into OBE i flyed like ghost trough corridor in my house to bed when i wake up. So maybe it was real abduction but i was unconciousness during take on ship and i feel it as dream. And when i returning to house i wake up in corridor and really feel like am taken back to bed. Two "realistic" moments was when i was sucking inside ship and fly trough corridor to my bed and short moment when i meet some beings in dark room ps. they got red eyes shining in this darkness (so mostly in frighting moments: during teleport to ship and back and meeting) Other moments was like normal dream.

Its truly mysterious and could be explain many ways:
-it was alien abduction, i wish it to happend and it happend
-it was just dream which turn into OBE (no matter about what was dream)
-it was dream which turn into lucid dream at some moment before wake up
-fear made somehow that some moments of dream become more realistic
-it was unconciousness abduction, but i remember moments when my body was moved around *

* another weird stuff: when i write this line i got deja-vu
maybe another good explanation is:
-something wrong with my brain
-too much stress in my life
-too much imaginations and too far from rational reality life
-result of meditations (i reach some higher level in joga which i dont understand clearly)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:36 pm 
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Is it possible Tiamat that you had two experiences, not one? Perhaps you did reach a state where you were having an OBE, [u]and[/u] that you traveled to a place where you had been before (ie the ship). Perhaps you controlled the entire experience through the OBE?

Or is it possible that your OBE was entirely orchestrated as part of an abduction? Floating is common from what I understand, both to the intended location, and then back again (as is the feeling of being dropped from a height back onto your bed as you've mentioned in previous experiences). Could you have been 'escorted' back, floating, and only thought it was an OBE?

Or could it be possible that you had both an OBE and an abduction, at exactly the same time. Is that possible?

It is interesting that the most vivid detail you have is far more detailed than what a lucid dream may have been. It seems that if you were to have had either of the first two experiences, with such recall, the dream/wake part would not have such an unclear memory. A lucid dream, and I think you are referring to that brief time between active dreaming and actually coming back to consciousness, would normally be the easiest to recall, at least immediately afterward. As real as it is at the time, if it isn't written down right away the detail is lost quickly.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your mind. I would think that stress would not 'cause' this, as an OBE requires a great deal of concentration and a clear, focussed mind. The experience was unconscious, yes, as you pointed out, but maybe it was conscious, just in another state that you managed to reach.

If you can duplicate this experience through your meditation, maybe you will be able to put more of the pieces in perspective that will make sense to you.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:51 pm 
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This what i call OBE was moment when i flyed trough corridor from my house to bed where i wake up, and it was pretty fast. I really seen that i flyed. And its second time last days when i got exacly the same experience to fly trough corridor to my bed. Maybe i was abducted many times last days and mostly remember last minute of that abduction before wake up (last minute when am teleport back to house) other parts are totally unconciousness or feel like dream.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:37 pm 
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Tiamat: In the last two experiences I have had I recall only the returning. The flooting in space. Like being in a Surf Board and falling a great distance. That was the time I got the scratches on the tops my feet. The other time I was in what seemed like a Doctors office sitting in a dentist like chair. There were several people there. They looked like human, almost, slight deformity of the head. It appeared that I was comming out of a hypnotic trance too soon. They thought I was still under. They talked in German to each other. The woman beside me then turned to me and gave me a paost hypnotic suggestion. in English. I woke up in bed. could have been a lucid dream ??? I was able to get the German translated. Other times They spoke to me in Turkish which I do not understand but was able to find translation for.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:29 am 
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The other time I was in what seemed like a Doctors office sitting in a dentist like chair. There were several people there. They looked like human, almost, slight deformity of the head. It appeared that I was comming out of a hypnotic trance too soon. They thought I was still under. They talked in German to each other.
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Thats really weird. I think about some other explanation: its some trauma. Its mean that peoples to survive emotional shock hide it deep inside mind, but its coma back during dreams. For example dentist hair its usualy something frighting.

Maybe peoples who have abduction experiences was kidnaped or lost when was kids, and such memories come back but in different form. Personally am sure that i got such trauma because when i was kid i lost for while my parents in unknown to me area where was many unknown to me peoples. So "aliens" are different visualisation of "unknown peoples" which want something from you, or do something against your will. And its hidden memories from kid i mean 1-5 year of life its so long ago that you dont remember it now but you still could have bad emotional memories to some situation (for example unknown peoples)

I think many peoples in 1-5 year of life got experience with uncles and aunt which play with you sometime against your will, ofcourse they try to make your happy, but ofcourse to you they was unknown peoples. For mother and father such peoples are very familiar, but not to you, especially when they live in other part of country and you see them once in year. So situation when suddenly arrive your uncle and take you on arms and hold high and play with you, he think its funny but you are surprise and scarry. I remember that once my uncle hold me outside window (am live on 4 floor) so imagine such scarry! Later i found that i dont fear great highness so for example i walk on pipe hang 5-10 meters above ground or climb on stone quary without rope and many other risky things.

So its could be good explanation, trauma of uncles and aunt which suddenly arrive from other part of country and take you on arm and play (when you got 1-5 year of life and dont understand clearly whats going on) You dont remember most of such situations but they come back.

It could be also memories when you was born, very old memories! When you lay alone on hospital and only nurses walk around, its also trauma. And everybody have such experience, thats why each person could soon or later tell that he was abducted. But ofcourse such memories must return as lucid dream in different form. For example when you read too much about aliens and ufo so you imagine some situations from life in different point of view, not as unknown person but alien. Its mass sugestion, or mass fear: you start to believe in aliens and in everything unknown see them.
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