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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:15 pm 
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To [i]PROTECT US[/i] is one thing... But to keep taking Billions & Billions of dollars and throwing them into a cesspool of BlackOps that have little to do with protection, and far more to do with maintaining unnecessary secrets just to avoid prosecution or liability for ham perpetrated upon loyal employees and service personnel, along with civilians who are subjected to the toxic fall out and ridicule of knowing they were exposed and yet can't get proper treatment - psychological OR medical - is unconscienable.

I believe our governments are using a blanket of secrecy just to prevent themselves from having to take the high roads.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:57 pm 
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To [i]PROTECT US[/i] is one thing... But to keep taking Billions & Billions of dollars and throwing them into a cesspool of BlackOps that have little to do with protection, and far more to do with maintaining unnecessary secrets just to avoid prosecution or liability for ham perpetrated upon loyal employees and service personnel, along with civilians who are subjected to the toxic fall out and ridicule of knowing they were exposed and yet can't get proper treatment - psychological OR medical - is unconscionable.
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I agree. Just hiding the base from the public eye makes costs rise as much as 300%. I think if they want to research advance Black Ops that's fine--but don't pretend that the base isn't there . . . we all know that it is . . . so just admit it!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:14 pm 
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[reply]Many people who have worked on projects in Area 51 have died from exposure to toxins, elements, compounds and the like -- these have caused strange cancers, skin lesions, stomach ailments, and many other problems that can't be diagnosed because Nellis AFB and other contractors who are responsible for medical records will not release the information to the physicians in the private sector. [/reply]

In 1994, five unnamed civilian contractors and the widows of the two contractors who died (Walter Kasza and Robert Frost--not the poet) sued the USAF and the United States Environmental Protection Agency. Their suit, in which they were represented by George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, alleged they had been present when large quantities of unknown chemicals had been burned in open pits and trenches at Groom. Biopsies taken from the complainants were analyzed by Rutgers University biochemists, who found high levels of dioxin, dibenzofuran, and trichloroethylene in their body fat.

Basically, Area 51 is powered by a nuclear reactor. But being in the middle of nowhere and unable to get rid of the spent nuclear waste, they burned the waste upwind of the base.

But those two people are the only official deaths from Area 51. What this suit did accomplish, was to force the Government to admit that they owned an operating facility near Groom Lake. Before this point, they just wholly denied its existence.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:53 am 
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To [i]PROTECT US[/i] is one thing... But to keep taking Billions & Billions of dollars and throwing them into a cesspool of BlackOps that have little to do with protection, and far more to do with maintaining unnecessary secrets just to avoid prosecution or liability for ham perpetrated upon loyal employees and service personnel, along with civilians who are subjected to the toxic fall out and ridicule of knowing they were exposed and yet can't get proper treatment - psychological OR medical - is unconscienable.

I believe our governments are using a blanket of secrecy just to prevent themselves from having to take the high roads.
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[b][i]We do not disagree. We must always be vigilant to ensure that our government is not hiding behind secrecy in the commission of crimes against citizens. No argument from me at all. [/i][/b]
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[b][i]Black Ops are a necessary evil. How we go about policing their activities is a mystery, other than we must rely upon our senators to marshall and reign-in those that would abuse the system. Sadly, there is no way for the average citizen to know for sure, as I'm sure you know.[/i][/b]
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[b][i]I'm not one that always assumes that the government is wrong - or right. This makes life very complicated, if you know what I mean. It would be easier to just assume that they (politicians) are all crooks, or are all good. But we both know that that is not how the world works. Politics is compromise. Someone will always be upset after the deal is made. No one ever gets what they want in toto.[/i][/b]
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I know you're right. I just wish the government would agree with ME, oftener![:P]
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