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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:03 pm 
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I mean possibility to refresh during such hypnose something forgotten or blocked in mind. I think hypnose work on "sugestion" some kind of computer program, so you mostly are able to do things which you are programmed. Sugestions are everywhere (advertise) It could be very good to get free from all possible sugestions, somehow clear mind. Maybe its possible during meditation, which got some connections to known hypnose. Clear mind should allow to new possibilities (even PSI possibilities which are blocked by social racionalism or something like that)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:59 am 
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Hypnosis does work on suggestion, whether it be guided by a therapist or hypnotist, or self-induced.

It has been referred to as the 'super-conscious' state in that you are in a place where you can process information that you would otherwise not have access to in everyday states of awareness.

I have been hypnotised twice, the second time, the therapist had a nasty personality and was aggressive and insisted on me going places I was not comfortable going, so I essentially blocked his suggestions because he didn't know what he was doing, and I was not comfortable being guided by him. Suggestion shouldn't be directed or guided by anybody's script but the one being hypnotised.

I am not one of those who have the talent to go to that 'superconscious' state on my own, but with training and understanding and technique, perhaps it's not such a difficult place to go.

Would love to hear from members who have more insight into this.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:32 am 
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Your therapist should be decertified and sent packing.

Therapists do not tell their clients what or where to access, they provide a safe and reassuring space in which the patient or client can find their own way.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:29 am 
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I agree. I remember arguing with him too because I woudn't pay my bill because it didn't work for me. He really did the opposite of what I know now to be competent practise.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:42 pm 
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Hello there: I’m not too sure where you two are coming from on that issue of hypnosis.
I had taken two years of training followed by two more years of practice in that area.

It is my experience that a therapists will interview a client to discover the area of desire or concern, then induce the client. Once in full trance the client will just sleep until questioned. Most often the client will answer in very simple terms, like yes or no. Thus in order to get a more complete understanding the therapist must add, or coax, answers from the subject. It is in this area that the therapist is often accused of leading the client.

If the client talks too freely it is a sure sign that the client is not deep enough or not entranced at all. It is at this point that the therapist will test the client. Should the client not be under, he will act as though he has decided to close the event and do what we called the walk out.

I am what they call, “An easy rider” as I can go into deep trance in just seconds with little or no help. I think that this was a result of my channeling experiences.

So what part of this do you guys not agree?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:05 am 
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I agree with all of what you said, except what I disagree with [tongue]

I think there is a difference in types of hypnosis. For example, you go for one specific purpose to quit smoking. You have no fear of undergoing this, it is voluntary, you want to quit smoking, and this is a tool to help you accomplish that by directing the therapy toward the goal of quitting.

On the other hand, somebody seeking hypnosis to undergo uncovering events that are not conscious, but are affecting every day living; having only bits and snippets of memory that are terrifying and confusing, experiences quite a different path with the therapist.

Somebody who's practise is to change bad behaviour or habits, can pretty much direct whatever the desired fix is, to fit the standard bad habit. Pretty straight forward.

On the other hand, attempting to uncover events surrounding abduction without a clue about what is involved, is totally out in left field, and it can be a dangerous situation for the abductee. In this case, it is more likely than not going to require other types of therapy, and that too can lead an abductee down the garden path of so-called professionals who really don't have a clue.

Not ALL mind you. I have seen the entire video of Betty Hill's Psychiatrist, and his intense involvement with her to uncover the truth without bias. He was rare in my opinion, she was most fortunate that he did not take a pre-conceived impression of her as a lunatic. Uncovering truth for her probably kept her sane.

Would you agree that hypnosis is self-directed as far as control goes?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:38 pm 
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Tim: I don’t think we are talking about ‘Hypnosis’ we just think we are. I believe we are talking about Professional Bias and Patient Resistance.

I am nearly blind in one eye because of Professional Bias. After surgery to remove a growth on my retina my doctor asked me what I saw and I was supposed to say everything is just fine but I didn’t. My left eye saw any light 4-6 times larger than my right eye. He tested the vision that was supposed to be -1.5 and watched over a period of 6 months as the eye went to a -10.5 yet the surgeon and his co-conspirator examined my eye and said it was a cataract. I said I don’t see anything like a cataract. Four Doctors signed off that there was nothing wrong with my eye, except the need to have the Cataract removed

I got the cataract removed and could see a brighter and less yellow image but still could not recognize anything. They all concluded, and said so, that it was Patient Resistance (Chronic Patient). I demanded another Doctor. They sent me to a high level specialist. The student Doctor in his office interviewed me and decided that I was a “Chronic Patient”. In came the Real Doctor who took less than 2 minuets decide that I had Macula Edema, in fact they had brochures already available about this problem, an infection behind the retina the pushes the retina away from the back wall of the eye socket. This was like a pimple behind the retina.

He then told me that I shouldn’t have waited a full year to have this addressed, as it is not correctable, I told him I was trying to get it addressed for at least 9 months even to the point of getting a mild Cataract removed at the insistence of the other four doctors. I am now technically blind in that eye, with a Cataract growing on my right eye.

From a physicians point of view there are patients that have a preconceived opinion of their condition and are not willing to accept any other opinion. No matter what the doctor prescribes nothing seems to work.

What does this have to do with the hypnosis issue? There are, no doubt, therapist who are completely convinced of their magical skills that they loss track of the patient. They are convinced that UFOs do not exist and set out to prove that to the patient, rather than explore what the patient is experiencing. “Don’t confuse me with facts when my mind is made up.” attitude. How many patients have been treated for the wrong disorder and have even died under that treatment only to discover during autopsy that the patient died form something not any where near what they had been treated for.

For the therapist it is an ego challenge. “I am the doctor, you are the patient, and we will keep it that way.” So I had to send those 4 Doctors packing. Now I can’t find a doctor willing to take me on as I am a problem (chronic) patient.

I find that many doctors will develop a pre-conceived opinion of your condition and not listen to what you are telling them. So it doesn’t matter what branch of the profession you’re dealing with, you are dealing with personal egos.

So it is not the method that is a fault but the practitioner.

Now having said all of this I can see where you are coming from.

Would you agree that hypnosis is self-directed as far as control goes?

Yes, and I also believe that even medicine, for the most part is also self-directed, consider the success of placebos for example. I strongly believe that talk therapy can play a major roll in patient care but few doctors have the time to indulge the patient, so they prescribe a pill that may, and often does, have negative side effects, or may perscribe something that the patients insurance will pay for.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:13 pm 
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So the incompetence of the Doctors caused you to go blind in one eye. Similar things happen all too often. It's one thing for a Doctor to say they just simply don't know, and they send you off to a specialist where you get the answers and treatment you need. With all the litigation they face, you'd think they'd have done a better job for you in the first place. And that's what it is, it's a job they do, then you pay them. Only no refunds and no recourse. I faced something similar and filed a complaint here in Canada with the Ontario Physicians and Surgeons Board, and the very end result was that they are allowed to make 'errors in judgment'. End of story. Even the physicians who took over my mothers care were upset, but alas, she died from complications caused by the original Doctor.

I do believe it is a mindset common among all professionals, not just MD's.

I have a problem with one-shot therapy designed to 'cure' people of something like smoking for instance. As an Addiction Counsellor, I cannot see any long-term benefit (although there is for some) for the most part, because the addiction is only one part of the picture. There is a whole industry available and ready to take your money for you to buy stop-smoking aids, and if it worked as often as they say it did, they'd be out of business overnight, and the smoking aids would be down to a buck in the nearest dollar store. People are left floundering going through the agony of overcoming an addiction over and over again. I personally don't know anybody (including my husband who's constantly struggling to overcome his addiction for the past two years now) attend any form of therapy in addition to taking the patch or pill.

So, like you say, no matter which direction you're coming from when you seek help for a problem, you are at a disadvantage because you do not know the history of the Doctor you are seeing. So who's policing these people?

And we have all had at one time or another major issues with 'professionals' and there are those, even good ones, who have the special status of being at arms length. I clearly remember an entire class on just writing notes during counselling in case they are supeoned by court. It was an entirely different way of thinking because you had to second guess everything you thought and wrote out on paper. Not all professionals can be painted with the same brush, although all professionals can be painted with the same professional restrictions. Good people with good intent are also caught up in the mess of being held accountable, and there are those that will take advantage of that.

Talk therapy as you mentioned takes talent. It is the purest form if unrestricted, to encourage meaningful exchanges between [u]two people[/u]. It is the most vunerable as well, for both parties, because to work, in my opinion, professional ego must be put on the shelf along with the clip-board, and a personal, [i]emotional[/i] committment has to be there. Not all therapists are capable of that. Many burn out.

So where does that leave our abductees. If 'mainstream' is so restricted, and we've come to putting people in little boxes and treating them according to what our diagnostics and statistics manuals tell us, where do abductees fit in. I think it's pretty obvious. I worry that there is so much that can be done, but any therapist wanting to do [i]serious[/i] work on behalf of abductees is going to be in the minority for a long, long time. If only........if only........

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Well you've got the picture loud and clear. It's a minority issue.

The other day a fellow came to our site here asking for help in dealing with his abductions. I emailed him an answer as I didn't want everyone in his boat to feel there was no help.which quite frankly there isn't.

We know that abductions are real. We know that UFO's are real, but what can any of us do about it? Nothing. We have all (abducted ones) been drafted into the Alien Army, as I told him. the only thing we have to offer is the fact that that person is not alone.

That's not much help, is it? but, it's the best and only thing we have to offer.

Anything else to add to that?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:04 pm 
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Just a comment on "Self-hypnosis". I don't want any to get the idea that I have the final word on this subject but despite my training and experience I have never been successful with self-hypnosis. I just can't seem to carry a thought with me in a trance induction.

If you can get it to work for you them by all means go for it.

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