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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:15 am 
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Shiite!
Its cobbly webby in here!coughs and swipes at the tangle over the doorway....
looks like nobodys dusted a thinking cap in this room for quite a while.....
Seems pseudo science and novel ways of viewing the cosmos are of far less interest to the average joe than chupas and saucers....
"Have a little hot sauce on that chupa haunch?I find i prefer them barbqued myself...."
Meantime back in the whirling mess of contemplatrive rheumenations (sic)these old bones have suffered lately....
and we get to the subject of this missive....

monoatomic fuels

Some dude that is supposedly a scientist of sorts...(name of something Brown)
has proposed we can burn oxygen and hydrogen together as one gas.....
this mixture is separated from water but never bled off into its singular parts....Instead it is bottled and used as a mixture......
The beauty of this type of flame for certain purposes is (according to propaganda, that it implodes instead of exploding which is the normal means of combustion.)
Now there is a certain catchyness to the claims, these machines which they sell to pproduce the fuel,cost about 4-700o$
but you can also buy the p[lans to make yer own for about 1000$.cost of materials.
The idea of such an application seems to me to be worthy of further study....
has anyone any direct experience with such a machine?or the fuel principal?
A discussion of the science and the principal even may help clarify the subject for us all.
The history of this idea is longer and more interesting than youd think.....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:56 am 
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Bergle,

The whole fuel thing is a political flame thrower, so they are now telling us the hydrogen driven car is a dead issue for the future, the next 20 years anyway.

It costs too much to make the hydrogen, or at least process it.

The strange part of all this is that Ballards hydrogen power cell depends of a supply of hydrogen, but you can do the same thing without the hydrogen. So you bypass the hydrogen and go straight to the source.

I actually put this in front of Ballard some years ago and of course he was interested, but his business partners were not, end of discussion.

Lots of amazing things we can do if we can get past the political angles.........the guys with the big money don't like change. And I don't mean nickels, dimes and pennies.

You don't need any kind of gas.......the gas idea is just a means of measuring the money.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:03 pm 
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Hello davey,
Well, yes....Its all rather hokey and fraught with bull dooly.........
But the basic idea of this mixing of the two gases in mono atomic state?and burning them together, is kind of fascinating no?
Between you and i it seems to be a very promising thing.
Though i am not sure if they are pushing good science or not....
The idea of having a flame that will not burn yer hand but melt steel at the same time is practically bursting at the seams with novel applications....dont you think?
Never mind the very far reaching implications of the use of water for fuel....
the flame itself seems like it could be a fun piece of physics to take and find applications for....
I am a little hesitant but ready to party with it in my head provided i can get assurances that it is a real phenom.....
berg
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:10 am 
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Guess I should read the small print first.

Monatomic fuel.........?

Gad.........monatomic elements are material reduced to single atom pieces, no molecular bonding.

So how exactly do you reduce water down to single hydrogen and oxygen atoms with no molecular bonds?

Of course this would give both the hydrogen and the oxygen quite a boost in relation to their ratio of energy per unit of mass, as single atoms, in terms of an underlying force of energy....I.E.; non-linear time field frequency acceleration.

I can see turning water into a gas and I can see separating hydrogen from water and separating oxygen from water and using that gas as a fuel.

But when you start talking about monatomic states the whole thing seems to go sideways.

How do you manage monatomic hydrogen and how can you know that it is in fact monatomic?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:24 am 
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dARN IF I KNOW....I JUST ASSUMED THAT THE GASSES CAME AS MONOATOMICS WHEN SEPARATED FROM WATER....THEY ARE SIMPLY KEPT TOGETHER INSTEAD OF SEPARATING THEM ...
tHE DIATOMIC STAGE IS WHEN THEY ARE SEPARATED ISNT IT?(THEY STABILIZE AS SUCH?)
tHIS IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM THE LITERATURE ON BROWNS GAS....
tHAT WAY THEY IMPLODE WHEN IGNITED RATHER THAN LIKE WHEN hYDROGEN IS BURNT, IT BURNS OXY FROM THE AIR....AN EXPLOSION....
BOTH PRODUCE WATER, ITS JUST THAT THEY ARE ALREADY MIXED IN PERFECT PROPORTINS TO DO SO FROM SEPARATION.....(OUT OF WATER)
tHE CLAIM IS YOU WILL NOT BURN YER HAND IN THE FLAME,BUT IT WILL MELT STEEL.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:15 am 
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Okay, I see what you are saying..........yes the gas is quite amazing stuff............burns cold to the touch but cuts right through steel.

Also you can use this stuff for joining steel plates together without weakening the steel. Under normal welding conditions the steel gets brittle along the joints, but not so with brown gas. Makes a very strong seam.

Also it makes a very fine fuel, to run your lawn mower or your car or truck.

In fact they have engines designed, built and tested to run on brown gas.........made out of aluminum, so the whole engine only weighs about 100 pounds and puts out 400 horse power. Absolutely amazing.

Did you know that the first engine was built in Vancouver, BC in a very small machine shop? Its now in California with much interest from the auto industry.

But the hydrogen fuel cell car or truck is a dead issue for the present time.

Brown gas is not that difficult to make. Electrolysis changes the water to gas and away you go.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:22 pm 
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[url "http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm#beaty"]http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm#beaty[/url] An interesting read on this topic :-)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:01 am 
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[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]i got this from some web address or other it explains the chemistry better then i can either....
What do you think?can we use this?
Like conservation of energy and all that, can we simply separate the elements that make up water and poressurise them toigether and use them for more power than it took to make the gasses?
bergle
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[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]What is browns gas [u]Browns Gas is simply water![/u] - but water held in a special form. We know from elementary physics that when we separate Water (H2O) into components we get hydrogen (H) and Oxygen (O). These to elements exist in a diatomic state naturally, that is to say, each atom of Hydrogen or Oxygen must be paired off in order to maintain stability. So Oxygen atoms are always found in pairs (i.e.. O2), and Hydrogen atoms are also always found in pairs (H2). They are never found as single atoms - or are they!
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0318sample-.JPG[/img] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0300hand-.JPG[/img]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns Gas is simply Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms that are held in a pressure, but in the monatomic state,[u] that is to say, they exist together, but not joined.[/u] A free flowing of Oxygen and Hydrogen atoms not joined and not separated. To do this you must keep them in the original container through electrolysis without changing the proportions of each of the gasses.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]So when you keep them in the same container, and do not separate them, they stay in their monatomic state (i.e. not diatomic, but monatomic)
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b][u]Science does not want us to know these properties,[/u] THAT'S WHY YOU WERE NEVER TAUGHT IN SCHOOL THAT MONATOMIC HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN DO EXIST IN THE SAME CONTAINER![/b]
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0317weld-.JPG[/img]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Symbolically, [ul] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Water = H2O = 2H2 + O2 (diatomic), [/li][/ul]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]But keep them in the same container with the same pressure and we get, [ul] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Water = H2O = H + H + O (monatomic [/li][/ul]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]So, if the components of water are kept in the same contour, the components are monatomic. This is Browns Gas!
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0314andru-.JPG[/img] [font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]We can now burn this flame. When we see the Browns Gas torch in the video, this flame is a monatomic flame, not a diatomic flame as in a butane or accedilane torch. [u]The flame is also imploding, and not exploding as in a butane or accedilane flame.[/u] [b]This is because the gasses are imploding back into water[/b]! This is called an imploding temperature component.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Browns Gas is a monatomic flame, not diatomic flame.[/u]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]A further unbelievable principle is that the energy that comes out of the Browns Gas flame is electrical, not heat!!![/u] It adds electrical energy to the object. [b]The flame is only about 300 degrees hot, but can produce 15,000 degrees of heat using electrical energy directly from the object it is burning!!![/b]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]1 liter of water makes 1850 liters of Browns Gas!!! If the gas becomes diatomic, heat will be lost, but by keeping it monatomic, it has an implosion characteristic when it burns. Browns Gas has a self propagation temperature.
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0326talk-.JPG[/img] [font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns gas has 3 times more energy potential as a diatomic flame.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]You burn the flame in a monoelectric state instead of separating it to a diatonic flame, and them burning it. [b]The fame is actually imploding into water while it burns[/b]. The generator that produces the flame is a small amperage machine. There is also no need of a cooling system.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Browns Gas will burn in a vacuum.[/u] The flame is much longer than it actual can be seen. This is because of the lighting. In the light it is an extremely small flame. In the dark it will be about 2 feet long.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]The transparent cone that you see on the video, is the flame actually reacting to the environment.[/b] The Flame is almost as hot as the surface of the sun, yet ???? actually passes his hand through the flame! See this on the video!!! Unbelievable!!!
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0293touch-.JPG[/img] [font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The flame will burn Toungson steel (the hardest metal on earth), but will not burn your hand! The audience can touch it and see.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]The operator can be see holding the tip of the burner in his hand and it is not hot[/u]. This flame only heats up the material it is directed to heat up (i.e. it is sending electrical energy to the material only, and this provides the heat).
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]Here are some of the very unusual properties of Browns Gas[/b] [ul] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Will burn asbestos and make it non toxic.[/u] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Will burn ceramics (5,000 degrees) with no effect. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]No adjustment to the flame required since only one gas is uses. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]Will vaporize Tunisian steel but will not boil water[/b] (The reason Tunisian will not get rid of the electrical energy easily, so it just keeps heating up. The water (and air) will dissipate the electrical energy fast). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Very easy to weld anything to anything. i.e. copper to copper, glass to glass, glass to metal, metal to brick, etc. (unheard of with traditional torches). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Burn ordinary house hold brick, and a glass is produced with a hardness of 9 (i.e., only a diamond can scratch it!).[/u] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Can use Browns Gas to separate impure materials in to components (i.e.. pur[u]ify other elements since each burn at different temperatures.[/u]). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]Neutralize radiation[/b] (There is a video around that you can actually see this test being done on the world most unstable radioactive material - ???). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns Gas is simply Hydrodgen and Oxygen atoms that are held in a pressure in their monatomic state. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]This flame is a monatomic flame (not a diatomic flame as in a butane or accedilane torch). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]The flame is also imploding, and not exploding.[/u] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The by products and end products are water! [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The energy that comes out of the Browns Gas flame is electrical, not heat, [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The energy that is created from the flame comes not from the flame, but from the object it is burning [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Browns Gas can reach temperatures of over 15,000 degrees (same as the surface of the sun).[/u] [/li][/ul]
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0330tools-.JPG[/img] [ul] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]1 liter of water makes 1850 liters of Browns Gas[/u] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns gas has 3 times more energy potential as a diatomic flame. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]The fame is actually imploding (into water) while it burns, not exploding[/b]. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The generator that produces the flame is a small amperage machine. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]There is also no need of a cooling system. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns Gas will burn in a vacuum (others will not) [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]The flame is much longer than it actual can be seen (about 2 feet long).[/u] [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The flame will vaporize Tungsung steel (the hardest metal on earth), but will not burn your hand! [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]2500 liters of browns gas costs 65 cents to produce[/b]. With accedilane, the same volume is $50, i.e. a 2% cost (and there is no delivery charges for Browns Gas, because Browns Gas is water!). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The starting fuel is water. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The end product is water. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]This implosion produces 16 over unity of power. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Watch brick melt! [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns Gas is a very clean burning gas, there is no need to clean the torch head. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Cast iron welds (with no flux) easily[/u], then can be put directly into water to be cooled (will not shatter). [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Any rust is automatically vaporized then welded since rust will vaporize an a lower temp then the metal. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]Torch is laser like[/b] (2 foot flame, but only see 4 inches) you can use it to cut metals with laser precision. [li][font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b][u]Browns Gas is 'Energy from Water!!!'[/u][/b] [/li][/ul]
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[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Browns Gas is generally created on demand, and not stored. [u]There is no reason to store Browns Gas since it is so readily available.[/u] You can store it but over time it may become diatonic.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]The Browns Gas movement is very big in China. They are using Browns Gas to run everything[/b]. There are many demonstrations on this video showing most of the above properties.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]Using experiments using Browns Gas, they have found that water can store information (i.e. energy)![/u] For example, the water used in slaughtering cattle, was purified back to pure distilled water. [b]This water was used to feed other cattle and produced a high anxiety and disturbance among the cattle.[/b] Water will also absorb music and will help plants grow (or die). Where is this information stored? [u]Do we also have information stored in our bodies from past events and past lives?[/u]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]You Can use Browns Gas to fuel car engines[/u]. Many have already done so all around the world.
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0313andru-.JPG[/img] [font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]It only takes 30 watts from the alternator of the car engine to produce the gas run the engine.[/b]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]There are many demonstrations for cutting steel and welding shown on this video[/u], but an interesting observation is when you move the Browns Gas flame. It has the unusual principle that a tunnel is created with the surrounding air as the flame comes out. [b]Moving the torch actually causes implosions in the ari tunnel and the flame becomes smaller to compensate.[/b] Watch the flame compress when it is moved from position to position. This implosion will drive a car cylinder in a similar manner that gasoline explodes a car cylinder. This implosion produces 16 over unity of power.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b][u]What is the future of Browns Gas?[/u][/b]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]There are blueprints on the way for a machine that uses gravity as a power source.
[size 4] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0322hookup-.JPG[/img] [img]http//www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Yull-Brown-Photos/Brown%20Lecture/BB0321size-.JPG[/img] [font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Here is a small devices that take ambient from the air and convert to battery power. This was developed by [u]Moray and Tesla a hundred years earlier[/u]. You can put an antenna in the ground and take the energy from the ambient waves.
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]Free energy comes from somewhere, we just don't yet have any measuring tools to measure it - yet. [b]Is this a Reality?[/b]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]The researchers tells of a story of a guy that had a house beside a radio station transmitting tower. [b]This guy put an antenna in the ground beside his house and using the Moray/Tesla generator described above, was able to take the field energy of the radio station antenna transmissions and convert them to electrical energy to run his house.[/b] The radio station did not like this because this guy was reducing the radio signal that was propagated along the direction of his house. They eventually ended up going to court and the judge ruled that this guy was allowed to use the radio power since he owned the airspace above his house and was able to 'take' the power if it crossed his property. So the radio station, with its mounds of money, decided to build an other radio antenna on the other side of this guys house to continue the radio transmission, and to combat this guys persistence over the 2 year court battle.[b][u] It turned out that now this guy has double the Moray / Tesla energy that he had before since there were now 2 antennas to pull from![/u][/b]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"]This is only one story of the suppressed secret of the Hydrogen atom (i.e.. Energy from nowhere).
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][u]What is the cost of the Browns Gas machine that will run all your homes electrical and heating needs?[/u]
[font "Arial,Helvetica,Times"][b]A one time cost of only $7,600.00!!![/b]
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:59 am 
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I somehow get to thinking old "Bahgdad Bob" had a heck of a bunch of relatives :-)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:57 pm 
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Whatever, youy can go visit his relatives by scrolling down to the bottom of the post and activating the clickables.....
the thing is.....will the physics stand up?
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