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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:54 pm 
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I agree, Timbit and i'm aware of how there's very few items that they can't track us down on or keep tabs on us.

The majority of the public don't believe all this though..they'd call this rubbish..crazy conspiracy loons at again, but the chip is physical...it's real..it's inside your body. So the chip cannot be denied nor can it's purpose really.

Even the people most deep in denial could not deny it. What are pet's chipped for? To be tracked in case they were ever lost. What will humans be chipped for..to be tracked. And i'm sure..at least i hope most of us if not all of us will know that nothing good will come of the chip.

I realise i'm tracked everyday, just like everyone else..it bothers me greatly but there's not much i can really do about it, they track me but they don't control me..not just yet anyway. :lol: But the chip is just too far, too sinister, too much control..as i believe that's exactly what they plan to do much later on with the chips is to try and gain full control over people.

I was speaking to my vet recently and she told me that they had/are getting chip indentification machines at police stations across the country, so it'd be a good idea to get my dog chipped incase she ever ran away. What have the police got to do with missing pets? I don't know about other countrys..but the police don't turn up for an assault or burglary with any urgency, talk about a missing pet.

They haven't got the time of day, nor do many of them care much. So why the chip machines at the stations? I don't know...but i'm certain they are not for pets..so maybe they are making prepartions for when humans will be chipped.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:53 am 
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I know Tim does not like the idea of detention camps and either do I or anyone else I know.

But...these are the same people who brought us all the other grief, including 9/11.

Chemtrails contain toxins, that is a proven fact.

H1N1 is not a natural virus, it is very similar to HIV.

The chips are the final solution and those who refuse are automatically outcasts with no money and no means of support.

So what exactly do you think they will do with all those who refuse the chip?

Do you really think the media or any government body is going to verify the existence of the camps? Like admit to their existence or their actual purpose?

FEMA claims they are for displaced persons or foreign nationals, but do not specify who.

If I find myself being muscled over issues from 60 years ago, that does not say much about what is happening today....it continues. And the authorities support this attitude and behaviors.

It will be interesting to see who caves in when it comes to push and shove, you may find yourself very much alone Tweaked.

It's sad, very very sad, but I'm afraid all too true.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:06 am 
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Caper wrote:
I agree, Timbit and i'm aware of how there's very few items that they can't track us down on or keep tabs on us.

The majority of the public don't believe all this though..they'd call this rubbish..crazy conspiracy loons at again, but the chip is physical...it's real..it's inside your body. So the chip cannot be denied nor can it's purpose really.

Even the people most deep in denial could not deny it. What are pet's chipped for? To be tracked in case they were ever lost. What will humans be chipped for..to be tracked. And i'm sure..at least i hope most of us if not all of us will know that nothing good will come of the chip.

I realise i'm tracked everyday, just like everyone else..it bothers me greatly but there's not much i can really do about it, they track me but they don't control me..not just yet anyway. :lol: But the chip is just too far, too sinister, too much control..as i believe that's exactly what they plan to do much later on with the chips is to try and gain full control over people.

I was speaking to my vet recently and she told me that they had/are getting chip indentification machines at police stations across the country, so it'd be a good idea to get my dog chipped incase she ever ran away. What have the police got to do with missing pets? I don't know about other countrys..but the police don't turn up for an assault or burglary with any urgency, talk about a missing pet.

They haven't got the time of day, nor do many of them care much. So why the chip machines at the stations? I don't know...but i'm certain they are not for pets..so maybe they are making prepartions for when humans will be chipped.

Peace, Caper.


All the new bank cards here are chipped and driver licenses.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:04 am 
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I can't even buy Sudafed without my drivers license!

On our recent trip to Indiana through the TSA scrutiny, the TSA agent looked at my license and saw that my hair color is different now (not to even mention that I'm 10 years OLDER than the last photo they took!) and said the photo didn't "look like me..." So he tried to BEND IT to see if it was phony, and to see if the glue between layers of paper would buckle... Well, NO! The glue didn't buckle; he bent the card so hard it SNAPPED! And all he could say was, "Whupsie!" He knew full well I couldn't chastise him, challenge his actions, etc. TSA has been given the status of GOD in the airport screening areas. One cross word to them and they can pull you from your flight, or separate you from your wallet, your purse, your carry-on luggage, strip search you... you name it, and they can do it... PLUS, you'll probably miss your flight and have to purchase a new ticket at full price. They even accused Howie of having an "explosive device" because he put his e-cigarette, watch, and his belt in a bucket to go through screening. (Obviously, Indiana is STILL 25 years behind everyone else... no one in the airport had ever seen an e-cigarette before!)

I find all of this absolutely INSANE!

So when I came home, it took 3 weeks to have a DMV appointment to obtain a duplicate license... for which I was charged $22.50.. and TSA can't be sued or criticized for their action. PLUS, I couldn't even buy Sudafed at the drug store until I actually received my new duplicate license; Howie had to buy it for me. And HE doesn't even take them! But if someone one day wanted to degrade his otherwise spotless integrity, they could use THAT purchase against him.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:21 am 
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david barclay wrote:
I know Tim does not like the idea of detention camps and either do I or anyone else I know.

But...these are the same people who brought us all the other grief, including 9/11.

Chemtrails contain toxins, that is a proven fact.

H1N1 is not a natural virus, it is very similar to HIV.

The chips are the final solution and those who refuse are automatically outcasts with no money and no means of support.

So what exactly do you think they will do with all those who refuse the chip?

Do you really think the media or any government body is going to verify the existence of the camps? Like admit to their existence or their actual purpose?

FEMA claims they are for displaced persons or foreign nationals, but do not specify who.

If I find myself being muscled over issues from 60 years ago, that does not say much about what is happening today....it continues. And the authorities support this attitude and behaviors.

It will be interesting to see who caves in when it comes to push and shove, you may find yourself very much alone Tweaked.

It's sad, very very sad, but I'm afraid all too true.


It is very sad indeed, David..very scary as well. There lays part of the problem i think..how scary and surreal all of this is.. which is why very few people are willing to accept that the chip is coming and the camps are likely for those who refuse or try telling others about what the true purpose of the chip is.

Yes, my drivers license has a chip in it but not my bank card as luckily i still have an old one. That's until they make the old ones obselate and demand you have a new one.

Can't let us slip off the grid now, can they?

I was speaking to a friend of mine recently and he doesn't believe the chip is coming..not realistic he says. The people wouldn't stand for it.

Wouldn't they? They stand for everything else that's forced upon them..we just roll over and give up. There will be those who resist and say no to the chip..but i got a feeling far, far too many are going to take the chip.

People have been are are currently being conditioned and brainwashed into believing that all this CCTV, all this tracking and spying on people is good..it's for are security after all. These terrorists are the very people who are supposed to protect us.

The elite are gangsters..terrorists..war crazed criminals..but they're allowed to do it.

They're the bad guys..the baddest guys, in a great disguise.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:36 am 
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Tweaked wrote:
I can't even buy Sudafed without my drivers license!

On our recent trip to Indiana through the TSA scrutiny, the TSA agent looked at my license and saw that my hair color is different now (not to even mention that I'm 10 years OLDER than the last photo they took!) and said the photo didn't "look like me..." So he tried to BEND IT to see if it was phony, and to see if the glue between layers of paper would buckle... Well, NO! The glue didn't buckle; he bent the card so hard it SNAPPED! And all he could say was, "Whupsie!" He knew full well I couldn't chastise him, challenge his actions, etc. TSA has been given the status of GOD in the airport screening areas. One cross word to them and they can pull you from your flight, or separate you from your wallet, your purse, your carry-on luggage, strip search you... you name it, and they can do it... PLUS, you'll probably miss your flight and have to purchase a new ticket at full price. They even accused Howie of having an "explosive device" because he put his e-cigarette, watch, and his belt in a bucket to go through screening. (Obviously, Indiana is STILL 25 years behind everyone else... no one in the airport had ever seen an e-cigarette before!)

I find all of this absolutely INSANE!

So when I came home, it took 3 weeks to have a DMV appointment to obtain a duplicate license... for which I was charged $22.50.. and TSA can't be sued or criticized for their action. PLUS, I couldn't even buy Sudafed at the drug store until I actually received my new duplicate license; Howie had to buy it for me. And HE doesn't even take them! But if someone one day wanted to degrade his otherwise spotless integrity, they could use THAT purchase against him.


Insane it is, Tweaked.

I can imagine the man you describe who snapped your license. A power mad authoritive figure. More power, give me more power..like crazy a bond villain.

I've had that problem before..the pharmacist wouldn't let me buy some co-codamol because i wouldn't go into more detail about what i needed it for. I said i had a migraine and needed it as it was causing me grief.

That's sufficent..but she thought not.

And over here you can't buy more than two boxes of paracetamol or any drug similar in your weekly shop..God no.

They say it's for your safety..like a nanny, watching over you, making sure you don't overdose or is it just putting limits on our buying and adding to the control list?

I ask myself..can people really not see what is happening here, right under our noses, do you not care? As it's too scary to challenge the bad guys or have the people been conditioned so much they think this is good?

Peace, Caper.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:05 pm 
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People don't question anything, that's why it goes on, and on, and on.

I remember being in a bank lineup when my kids were little. A bank employee was approaching every person in the line, asking them if they wanted to sign up for a bank card. She went on saying that it avoided lineups, everything could be done, even paying bills, on the bank card machines, get cash etc., all without having to come into the bank and wait for a teller.

When she got to me, I said, "What happens to you, and your job, when everybody has a bank card", and she said that she would still be working for the bank, probably in just a different capacity. D'uhhhhh!!!!!

So, each time I went into the bank, the actual teller handing my transactions, would also spew the same rhetoric. They were in fact, selling people their jobs. I put off getting a card until I went overseas, but still go into the bank, lineup, and have a face-to-face conversation with the teller. I like them, I've known them since my kids were babies!

As far as the chip goes. I don't see anybody saying that they've talked to their MP, or MPP, or local politicians, or attending town meetings, or joining websites to spread the word, etc. Perhaps the reason is that information on the chip itself, is almost always associated with major conspiracy theories of FEMA camps, plastic coffins, forced innoculations, 2012, etc. None of it individually, and none of the chip information particularly, has me convinced.

I appreciate different points of view, I check things out, and I make my own call, and that is, I need a hell of a lot more convincing than what I've heard and read so far.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:09 pm 
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Yep..that's too true, Timbit.

People should really question things more. If it seems like it should be questioned or if a situation warrants questioning, then we should go ahead and do exactly that.

We should never be afraid to ask questions..no matter what the circumstances.

The governments have relied on people not questioning them and their decisions..if the guy next door ain't questioning what's going on here, then why should i? And so on and so on.. and it has huge knock on affects and before you know it everyone agrees with whatever the majority thinks.

As for the chip..i totally see where you're coming from, Tim, i really do. And I hope i'm wrong about it being inevitable..but it just seems to me they have pulled so many flase flags, attacks and illusions that there must be a goal behind all of this..other than the fear factor and psychological impact.

That's an added bonus for these guys..first it's CCTV, then it's ID cards which are available now for people in Manchester who wish to have them voluntarily. Then i guess they will be compulsary then probably the micorchip is the next step.

They have set the stage...so i'm guessing they intend to act the play.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:48 pm 
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Now that we're "nationalizing" our medical records, eventually, I suppose, all of the data (including updates) will go on a chip. And probably the chip will simply be updated by some device that accesses it through the skin. (It would be difficult to "sell the idea" if every time we were prescribed a new med or received an injection, the chip would have to be taken out and replaced!)

There are two lines of thought about this.

#1: It will speed-up identifying necessary data if you're severely injured and cannot fill out forms or tell the attending medical attendees what you remember about your diagnoses and allergies. And if we could be SURE that we could TRUST everyone with access to the scanners that read the chip, it could be a medical break-through and perhaps save many lives.

#2: There will ALWAYS be people who wish to develop ways to hi-jack the data because of greed. Knock someone in the head and steal/exchange a chip which has already secretly been scanned, which shows you have the same blood type and better health than someone who is "off the grid" or someone wants a particular job, but otherwise wouldn't qualify without a cleaner chip... It's like selling transplant organs on the Black Market, except that once you're data chip has been removed, WHO has the back-up data? Where can you get a replacement? Does your insurance PAY for a replacement? Where did your medical chip go, and on and on and on!!!?! Just new nightmares for civilization added to most of the old ones...

But more dangerous by far, are the insurance companies (which are already corrupt enough!). They will be able to formulate RISK much easier... however, instead of raising their reserves for each insured so that they're protected better against unforeseen expenses, they will use it to pick 'n' choose to whom they offer policies. And while this is noticeably prevalent right now, wait until more is known about specific genes and how they can or will (at some future point in time) cause or relate some form of health problem that we presently cannot predict? The insurance companies will have their own geneticists at the forefront of this break-through technology, so that they can be certain their abilities to accrue profit can always stay several steps ahead of the pay-outs. And these geneticists will be working for genetics research companies, owned and clandestinely operated by the insurance companies.

Now... if we could get a single-payer plan much like the V.A. or Medicare, to insure EVERYONE, for a time we might plow under the private, for-profit insurance companies, this would be VERY good for some of us, and not so good for others; but those who actually can afford to leave the country for expensive treatments not offered by government-sponsored plans, would just do it.

Ah... but... let's say we'd had single-payer, chipped people with health coverage for ALL, during the recent (shudder!) Past Administration... President (ahem) "Cheney" would have rounded up 1/3 of the population and put us in Camps, where we would have died, out of the Public Eye, because our records/chip data would have been totally available to him; he would have lowered the amount of government pay-outs for healthcare by eliminating those of us with chronic health problems... And then there would have been billions more $$$ to give to the bankers, lawyers, private contractors, etc. By now the Middle Class would have probably been totally eliminated. At least some of us still have a fighting chance.

The more centralized we become, the easier it is to stay in touch, and the easier it is to be controlled. It's the Ying and Yang but on a global scale, this time.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:48 am 
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Good things could come from having a chip like you mentioned in ponint number one, Tweaked. Things would be easier, faster and we'd be saving more people who might have died if not for the information on the chip.

This would be great in a sense and the chip wouldn't seem all that bad..but our leaders and too many people who we put our trust in and are trusted positions are corrupt, selfish, deceitful liars.

So there's no doubt in my mind that the chips positive uses will not be used at all..only the negative ones. And anyone who won't play ball can be traced and made to vanish.

Right now we're all on the grid so to speak..but we can leave it at any time we wish to, it's not always practical..but it's possible if one really wants to leave. Once we're chipped we're on the grid forever...and i don't like that thought one bit.

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