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 Post subject: Seriously
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:22 am 
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After watching Russo's doc on freedom America and realizing Russo is dead it struck me that we are in very deep water.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Not that I didn't already know that, but it gave me a jolt.

Here we are going on about lights in the sky and wondering if the government will ever tell us this or that while the whole time there is something very serious growing in the back yard and its not a pumpkin.

A few people rule and the elected officials dance to the music...but somehow we don't want to accept it and think that some miracle is going to change things back to the way they once were.

That would take us back to 1913 and how many presidents have to tell us we're in deep trouble before we actually get it?

If the rule of law does not apply to those who govern we do not live in a free country. We are allowed to believe we are free and living in a free country, but that is as big an illusion as the idea that paper money alone has value.

If liberty and freedom are reserved for a select group, where does that leave the rest of us?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:32 pm 
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What is that saying, 'power corrupts'........

People don't get their backs up until their backyard barbeque is interrupted.

I don't know if it's because we don't see what's going on, or that we are too complacent, or that trying really doesn't get you anywhere anyway.

If you were to take a simple problem that upsets an average persons day, anger is spewed, but in all the wrong places. People want instant gratification and results, and those on the front line get hit the hardest.

Anger and concern goes in the wrong places. People don't take the time to understand that having needs met, politically, personally or otherwise, takes a bit of work. Who is prepared to do the work.

I'll give you an example. I had a Universal Energy door-to-door salesman, come up behind me, while I was cutting the front lawn. I stopped the lawnmower, annoyed, and asked him what he wanted. To make a long story short, he was extremely aggressive. I won't go into detail, but he refused to leave my property; I had to call Rod, who came out, and he STILL wouldn't leave, and Rod called 911, and the police came.

Long story short, I have now traded 7 email, and three phone calls with Universal Energy. Even with a police report, with the constables name and badge number, and enough detail to invade a small country, their final response to me was they needed more information 'to identify the individual'. So, that prompted me to contact CBC Marketplace, who did a segment on their aggreessive tactics, and I offered to provide all my information if they were interested in doing a followup from their show in March of this year.

THEN I get a phone call telling me my name is off their list, and the 'individual in question' has received appropriate discipline. No accountability, no apology, nothing. And to add insult to injury, even though they are never supposed to knock on my door again, they sent me a label, to attach 'at eye level so our agents can clearly identify' my house as off limits!!

So, I responded that I'm not putting their logo on my HOUSE!!!

It is still, all ongoing. I'm not giving up in stopping them until they make sense.

That to me is an example of the extreme measures a regular average person such as myself, has to go through, to get a pushy salesman to stop his aggressive, and I suspect illegal push of selling energy through his company.

So, when it comes to even the simplest of things, is it my fault that this happened in the first place? If a person has to go through this much trouble for a simple solution, is it, or does it indicate a justifyable reluctance to believe or investigate things of a far more serious nature?

In other words, it may not be a lack of awareness or action against unfair practices, but that things have become so unbelievably difficult, that is just ins't worth the trouble, or have we lost our ability to see right from wrong, just from injustice, and all of 'them' are far too out of our reach that they will never be held accountable, and we know it.

Maybe our awareness IS in the fact that we have no control.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:41 pm 
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David:

"We are only free people if we do as they say"

Tim:

"The aggressers will get what is coming them in the end, and they will be the ones without the answers."

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 Post subject: Re: Seriously
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:11 pm 
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Timbit wrote:
What is that saying, 'power corrupts'........


absolute power corrupts absolutely


to be honest it does not matter what regime is in the country democratic, liberal, monarchy, socialist or anything else... people are still fed with lies... only slightly different ones... while those at power are the ones who got power. And things such as Premier, President does not really mean a thing...

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 Post subject: Re: Seriously
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:09 am 
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If we have no power? I don't believe that is completely true in the long haul.

If we do nothing and say nothing, we are silent collaborators.

The point I am trying to make is that this is not a situation where everything is going to carry on as it has in the past, where we can have our cake and eat it too, but in a manner which at the present moment is too frightful for most people to consider.

From my view I perceive people considering themselves unimportant or insignificant in the big picture, but there are no insignificant people.

Each of us is just as important as anyone else, including presidents, prime ministers and dictators.

We all share a basic humanity, which is not something we should be too hasty about abandoning.

We separate and isolate ourselves from humanity when we believe we have no power, even over our own lives.

It's pretty sad actually that there are people who believe they have no power to affect change in their lives, they have become victims of self persecution. They suffer from self inflicted wounds to their psyche.


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