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 Post subject: Guard Dawgs
PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:07 pm 

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What kind of madness or folly could turn shielding one's number one dog from the rain into Umbrellagate? Photo Credit


Shocked and even outraged reaction on Dutch media, to reports US government agencies have been gathering data on phonecalls (Verizon is named, court ordered to turn over all US & foreign, landline, mobile phone records, but is probably mere tip of the iceberg), while additionally a program called PRISM scours the activities of still undefined internet users. PRISM data collection has been associated with Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple, PalTalk and Dropbox. I don't need to be a genius to realize that this most likely includes the NSA snooping into my phones and notebook, guaranteed it (AH... JUST KIDDING GUYS ??? !!) writing the header of this here paragraph.

Seems that for President Obama it never rains but it pours. Remember the Internal Revenue Service’s embarrassment over improper targeting of conservative groups, the apparently overzealous seizure of journalists’ phone records investigating leaks to the media, plus the State Departments failure to protect Ambassador Stevens from deadly terrorism in Benghazi, Libya? What’s with that Boston bomber suspect rushing FBI agents with a kitchen table in the middle of the night in his own home, managing to get shot in the back of the head? Is this White House in the middle of a thunderstorm?

This gets giggle-funny on some days, and less so on others: aren't we talking about that same Kenyan feller with the stack of phony birth certificates, believed by some devout Evangelicals to be the Antichrist predicted by the Bible? The good folks who love to hate Obama cannot be surprised, thinking the 'Tyrant Usurper' is finally showing his true colors.


Many in and outside of America are deeply concerned about how Obama’s security policy impacts citizens’ privacy and liberty. That phone and computer record business falls under US Bill of Rights and 14th Amendment Provisions for the Right of Privacy. To establish quick relevance here’s Amendment III:

Privacy of the Home

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Then Amendment IV:

Privacy of the Person and Possessions

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Finally, Amendment XIV:

The Liberty Clause

No State shall... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law.

It may be argued that for the NSA, or any federal agency going into US citizens’ phones and computers, including their network connecting to family, friends, work and associations worldwide, especially for such agency’s purpose of defending against terrorism, equals stationing soldiers in a home, without the owner’s consent. Simply, even when waging global war against Terror, the government is constitutionally prohibited from arbitrarily using citizens’ homes to do it from! Also, regardless of purpose, taking computer/phone records amounts to unreasonable search and seizure of “persons, houses, papers, and effects”, terms framed prior to computer technology, yet easily transposed to our modern lives in cyberspace. Defenders of the administration’s security policy, like the president and Senator Dianne Feinstein, emphasize seeking balance between Privacy Right and Security, as well as oversight by federal judges issuing those carefully supported and defined ‘warrants’ required by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Are some US Democrats rallying for a reasonable middle ground, hoping that one part of invasion of privacy and two parts of free speech equals the People’s security AND happiness? Sure they are. But it’s obvious that every American has been deprived of their Right to Privacy in an unprecedented manner. Read the 14th Amendment as your Liberty including personal privacy (a reasonable interpretation of the Constitution), and we all must agree the ‘state’ indeed has deprived American citizens of their liberty, taken away their freedom. Regardless of why it was done.


Americans are more than brave and outspoken enough about the disgrace of the NSA and other agencies casting the security net to include everybody, with the reassurance only terrorist communications are targeted, while the humongous remainder of data collected on innocent US citizens may be seen as accidental. They kinda ask for: “OK we invaded your private sphere (‘accidentally’ – in the fight against terror), but now you can trust us to disregard truly private information, the personal stuff of ordinary Americans”. The problem with that is that once others hold your private information in trust, PROMISING not to look at it, it isn’t really private anymore, is it?

Former CIA guard dawg Edward Snowden broke free from his leash, revealing he leaked NSA/PRISM/Boundless Informant-gate to the world, giving up a plush defense contractor position and comfortable life, to protest America’s “architectural repression”. Guy is giving interviews from a hotel room in Hong Kong, a place with “a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent”, right, although that city lies in China where if you google Tibet-Dalai Lama-Human Rights a hand will reach out through the monitor and drag your spirited dissenting hindparts straight into a labor re-education camp. Frankly, I’m not happy with folks betraying secrecy oaths, then protesting an assault on American Freedom FROM CHINA, but hell, perhaps he’s a true idealist, acting for the greater good.

I get a sense of desperation, when hearing people blaming President Obama for having marines hold umbrellas over the boss and his guests. Photo Credit: REUTERS - Telegraph

Idealism imho is the precise cause why America seems to go from one obamagate to the next, people’s deeply held beliefs about their country being a Democracy or Republic, its governors elected by the People, making all participate in that government. It is idealistic, but not realistic belief. For The People to fully participate, its government must inform them fully, so society will make it decisions based on the truth. But human nature is such, that this transparency then may be misused by enemies domestic and foreign to sow dissent, weaken a democratic society and its military, take away its wealth and resources, even its territory and sovereignty. True Republics and Democracies aren’t survivable, and flawed inventions condemned to fail. Here’s how we solved it: by compensating for our democracies’ weakness by combining it with an older human invention, the Nation State. Seventeenth century philosopher Thomas Hobbes beautifully explains the remedy for the vulnerability of democracies failing to agree and work together.

“For by art is created that great Leviathan called a Commonwealth, or State, in Latin Civitas, which is but an artificial man; though of greater stature and strength than the natural, for whose protection and defence it was intended; and in which the sovereignty is an artificial soul, as giving life and motion to the whole body; the magistrates, and other officers of judicature and execution, artificial joints; reward and punishment, by which fastened to the seat of the sovereignty every joint and member is moved to perform his duty, are the nerves, that do the same in the body natural; the wealth and riches of all the particular members, are the strength; salus populi, the people’s safety, its business; counsellors, by whom all things needful for it to know are suggested unto it, are the memory; equity, and laws, an artificial reason and will; concord, health; sedition, sickness; and civil war, death. Lastly, the pacts and covenants, by which the parts of this body politic were at first made, set together, and united, resemble that fiat, or the let us make man, pronounced by God in the creation.”
Leviathan, 1651

Simply, Hobbes chose the image of a ‘Leviathan’, or Great Sea Monster from the Bible, to define the nature of the State, also that of an invented (artificial) more powerful version of a man. Nation States thus are like immortal great kings, able to survive its human leaders’ death or corruption or insanity, being attacked by intransigent, ruthless enemies, and the extremes of internal discord. They’re MONSTERS, designed for always maintaining immense power, to be used for protecting the ordinary men and women inside them. Every modern democracy in the world today, in order to survive, has joined with Statehood. And even while Parliament/Congress engages in ordered, civilized, open debate, the State will keep secrets to confuse its enemies, it will pursue national interest within or OUTSIDE ethical boundaries, and if so desired by elected leaders, will kill those enemies. This is not nice. And it is the true cause of endless obamagates: if it is in the national interest to remove Gaddafi, and get on friendly terms with Libya’s new leadership, keeping a light military footprint at the time, such bias leads to RISKING Ambassador’s Chris Stevens’ life. Sadly this dedicated diplomat died, and four heroic Americans with him. But that that’s not ‘Benghazigate’, or the US president complicit in Steven’s murder. IT IS BUSINESS AS USUAL, for a Nation State, that is, and then you lie about it. Even get struck with Hillary flu. Upset? Welcome to the real world!

Same goes for the US fighting an elusive terrorist enemy. Terrorism is not a people or a country, anyone, anywhere could be a terrorist, including citizens living inside US territory. What to do if you discover that one of the strongest links with terrorists is their computer and internet use, or even avoidance of this means of communication? You go snoop. And the surveillance by the NSA, the PRISM and Boundless Informant programs went and snooped on every American, and almost everyone else! Sure, this is a monstrous invasion of privacy, unconstitutional even, and I would encourage any US citizen to take the NSA to court for it. It is your democratic right, GOOD for democracy and may serve to give a much needed yank on Leviathan’s chain. We do not want our society to be completely controlled by the monster of state. But, and it’s a big but, if hunting for terrorists, wishing to rain down destruction, preferably bio, chem or nuclear weapons delivered to America’s population, you do what the NSA does. Hunt these dangerous groups and individuals in ALL of cyberspace, as FAST as you can. Because if failing to preempt a major attack, the result will be large numbers of Americans dead and injured, and what use is the Right to Privacy if you’re dead?


I get a sense of desperation, when hearing people blaming President Obama for having marines hold umbrellas over the boss and his guests. Can’t ya’all see that having him hold his own umbrella, or SIMPLY GET SOAKED would actually insult that Marine whose Semper Fidelis, without a thought, would move him to shield America’s number one dawg from a rain shower. Not to mention the whole world watching, scratching their heads: why is the leader of the free world fumbling with that umbrella. In closing I hold that America hasn’t had ‘Obamagates’ at all. Instead the sitting president has been working hard to get difficult, impossible things done in the real world. Stuff like passing Health Care Reform, the Stimulus, having Sheikh Osama Bin Laden taken out, improving America’s image abroad (guy is actually POPULAR in my country), signing Lilly Ledbetter Equality Pay into law giving women a fair shake in salaries compared to men, signed the 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act providing coverage for 4 million more American kids, and then some. Sounds like this president is doing his job. I believe most of these ‘gates’ are angry, foolish and too idealist interpretations of the United States’ darker side, its monstrous side, where to survive in the face of terrible enemies, it acts to guard The Land of the Free by any means necessary. Did I already mention that it’s NOT NICE?

Can’t ya’all see that having POTUS hold his own umbrella, or SIMPLY GET SOAKED would have the whole world watching, scratching their heads?


 Post subject: Re: Guard Dawgs
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 pm 

Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:14 am
Posts: 106

The obvious problem with PRISM and the NSA's snoop programs is the collection and storing of phone/internet records on potentially all Americans, and everybody else, a practice incompatible with US rule of law (unless all human beings were terrorists).

But now General Keith Alexander, NSA Director, comes out with a defense showing the other side: the effectiveness of PRISM like investigations.

"The US electronic spying chief has said massive surveillance programmes newly revealed by an ex-intelligence worker had disrupted dozens of terror plots.

In a US Senate hearing, National Security Agency (NSA) Director Keith Alexander defended the internet and telephone data snooping programmes."



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