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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:30 pm 
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I wrote about this 5 years ago, [url "http://www.rense.com/general3/diss.htm"]http://www.rense.com/general3/diss.htm[/url] and many of the points in my article still hold true.
We will never see willing UFO disclosure by the U.S. government. Why, you may ask? It's pretty simple really.
1st, Knowledge is power. Those who have it, don't want to share it. There's no reason for them to.
2nd, Technology. If systems for free energy exist, the big oil companies and other ruling corporations stand nothing to gain, and everything to lose. There's no money to be made in "Free" energy. Free energy would also crash the worlds economy, causing a restructuring process that would take at least ten or more years. Also, if stories are true about reverse engineering, large corporations still stand to make money for many years to come doling out new devices and tech to the tech hungry world.
3rd, Crimes committed against citizens and humanity in order to keep the knowledge secret. There are too many fingers to point in too many directions. People who rule, make up history. Along the way, it get's re-written in order to satisfy those in charge, and to cover their tracks.
4th, Fear. The PTB know, the tech of the aliens is too far advanced and there is nothing they can do to stop them. An example would be the 1952 UFO Flap over Washington D.C.
[url "http://www.informantnews.com/brief/dc52flap.html"]http://www.informantnews.com/brief/dc52flap.html[/url]
The operators of those saucers blatently flew over our nations capital knowing full well there was nothing we could do about it. I see it as a warning to our arogant leaders.
5th, History. History and everything we have learned is wrong. The term "Alien" is wrong. If what I suspect is true, the so called "Aliens" have been here before us, making US the true aliens.
6th, Control. By controlling history, religion, and everything we know, the PTB control us. Which makes me wonder. Did we ever really stand a chance? Is it really our fault the world is so screwed up? I say no, not really. By controlling the information that is fed to us, we have been trained to believe WE are to blame. We are to blame for pollution, for driving big giant gas guzzling cars, for waring and fighting with each other, for EVERYTHING bad in this world.
By being armed with this knowledge, we can begin to shape and change the direction of our planets destiny. Just by being "aware", we stand a better chance of making that change, and not taking what they feed us hook, line, and sinker.
I hate to say it, but all the Disclosure groups with their good intentions, are really wasting their time. They will never force the PTB to give up the information. Their time and money would be better spent trying to make changes in the government itself, to educate the citizens who will listen, and to find a way to bring that message to the rest who refuse to listen.
All the rest of us can only do what is within our reach. Keep reporting what you see, keep watching and listening to everything, and share that knowledge in places like this, and other forums where we will be heard.
Keep the faith baby! But don't wait for the gov to bring you any REAL news. It just aint gonna happen.
I've posted some very interesting material for you to read, ponder, and enjoy below.
Joe Held
THE CONTROLLERS: [url "http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=67"]http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=67[/url]
An Alien Harvest: [url "http://informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=43"]http://informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=43[/url]
The Battle for Your Mind: [url "http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=57"]http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=57[/url]
Secret Societies - New World Order: [url "http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=137"]http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=137[/url]
Part 2: [url "http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=138"]http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=138[/url]
Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth: [url "http://www.informantnews.com/starshipgamma/underground/artifacts.html"]http://www.informantnews.com/starshipgamma/underground/artifacts.html[/url]
THREATS TO HUMAN FREEDOM : [url "http://www.informantnews.com/brief/doc1.html"]http://www.informantnews.com/brief/doc1.html[/url]

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:05 pm 
[b]I have to disagree. Granted, those responsible for the cover-up are guilty of many, many wrongs. But there is coming a day when they will be found out and dealt with. Even now, there are military, government and intelligence operatives who are ready to give up what they know. Some already have but have been labled frauds by our own governments. [/b]
[b]The Disclosure Project ([url "http//www.disclosureproject.com/"]www.disclosureproject.com[/url]) is making that happen NOW. The stories are just to fantastical to be believed, but when you consider that these men and women are willing to testify BEFORE the CONGRESS of the UNITED STATES that all they say they have witnessed and taken part in is true; you cannot help but realize that something staggering is about to take place soon.[/b]
[b]To lie before Congress is a serious offense and these people know that. Go to the web site and watch the free video download. It was on May 9, 2001 at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.[/b]
[b]This was groundbreaking news and yet was suppressed by the media. Even Peter Jenning's ufo special that was aired on national t.v. a few months ago missed the ball on this one. Dr. Greer was more than willing to supply them with what he had, but those jackasses were too chicken shit to use the material because they KNEW it would ruffle the feathers of some "higher ups".[/b]

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:13 pm 
Hello,i must very respectfully disagree to your disclosier premis for the following reasons.
1)The shear volume of evidence is mounting to proportions which will force the average reasonable human being to seriously consider the actuality of visitation.As time passes the inevitability of full disclosier becomes surer.
2)Further to availability of evidence is the recent spread of technology which enables the ordinary person and groups of people to gather for themselves very convincing evidence.As well as pool together on the internet collective groups spanning the globe.
3)Alien agenda-We do not know what their possible thought prossess will bring forth in the way of showing themselves further,contacting us on a more public basis.(presuming that we dont already have contact at higher levels now.)or even leaving when they have sufficient data or whatever they have come for.
4)The number of different species that are possibly visiting may increase our chances of being included in the loop because of competition between them for certain advantage or favour,in our world system.(current estimates as many as 38 species of visitors)
5)Our own foolish actions which threaten the existance of the world as we know it.i.e.global warming,nuclear holocaust,diseases of our own manufacture,etc.May themselves trigger the nessessity for contact on their part in order to preserve if not us at least the world itself.(i assume we have some value to them or they wouldnt be here.us or earth.)
6)Future cataclysm of earth threatening proportions also may be trigger to contact on their part.Such as an asteroid collision,etc.
7)I believe that a maturation of our own psyches may br the actual signal that is required to bring the saucers down to the white house lawn or the kremlin wall.When people are able to more dispassionately relieve themselves of preconceptions,when we can actually consider alien concepts without going mad and retreating into coma or violent rejection of thoughts which are totally strange to us.When we have less need to have an absolutely defined reality
in which to function.Then i think we will simply be able to look up and we will see them for the first time consciously as a race.When you think about it the primary block to diclosier is or own fear of becoming lost in a new and somehow infinitely more terrifying universe.The ego shock of becoming just one of billions after having been the one and only is just too great for us to bear.Therefore nobody but the brightest and the best are evn interested in the whole thing.In fact i have noted an extreme avoidance reaction to the subject which is almost predictable depending on the persons religious views,education,IQ.and mental balance.Though this is annecdotal and experiential to my own observations it seems to work fairly accurately.It appears that a certain corner in our mental outlook must be turned before disclosier becomes a sought after result by the general population.
what remains to occur is the unavoidable accident which will like the crash in Roswell,throw our world into collision with th=eirs in a very public and unavoidable spectacle which cannot be swept under the carpet in time to lull us all back into somnambulence.
8)We may have to be informed sooner than later if the ptb want to utilize the technology that presumably they possess.Things that would make a difference in our daily lives like zero point energy,and other rumoured devices will have to be explained to us before we can utilize them.It shouldnt be too dificult to recognize the emergence of some of it as alien.So far nothing too outre has appeared that could not be attributed to our science,(though there are suspects)When the prb wants to unviel the more radical stuff we may see more of the story come to light in the unofficial channels by which we are being conditioned to accept UFOs even now.......
Which is my last point,dont you think that we ARE being informed allbeit rather in a very obtuse way that this stuff exists?The unexplained assumptions we have to make to even exist in a world where FOI digs up vieled references,and suspiciously blacked out pages with tempting headings every week.Where people we trust tell us that they have seen something ?Very soon we will have reached a state where there will not be a person in the world who does not at least know one person THEY TRUST WHO HAS SOME KIND OF UNEXPLAINED INCIDENT TO RELATE.The amount of sightings by average people and masses of them is increasing exponentially.The amount of incients where important people who should be or have been in a position to know,are coming forward to state the case for the existance of these things (Caanadas former defense minister Paul Hellyer etc.)all point to an increasing intensity of disclosier on a semi official basis right now.
Can it be much longer to full disclosier??????

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:59 pm 
Thanks for the responses, but I too have to respectfully disagree. Given our current administration, and the way the get away with murder right in front of our faces, shows one reason why they could care less.

Also, the first response by MrMajestic metions the Peter Jennings UFO Special. Do you not realize that many of the things happening in the disclosure project were purposly left out of the report.

You both seem to suggest that the Disclosure itself will actually come from the E.T.s revealing themselves.

With that, I agree. The government is not just the U.S. government, but the Controllers of the Elite that are running this planet into the ground. There is no money to be made from free energy, therefore, they will never give us free energy, even though they have the tech now.

Bervere, from what I'm reading, you are suggesting that the disclosure is coming from individuals themselves. You are correct, and this is how it has always been. But when you have incidents like the battle over L.A.,
[url "http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28"]http://www.informantnews.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28[/url]
and the Mass sightings over Washington D.C.,
[url "http://www.informantnews.com/brief/dc52flap.html"]http://www.informantnews.com/brief/dc52flap.html[/url]
and you see how well they have made everyone forget, you realize, the program is still in high gear to keep all of this hush hush.

Knowledge is power, and those in charge of the knowledge have no intention of sharing it with the rest of us whom they consider slaves and eaters.

I respect what the Disclosure Project is "trying" to do, and what Exopolotics is trying to do, but I think their efforts are being wasted and could be directed into other areas of attempting to expose this cover up.

You are correct in the fact that the Good EBE's are the ones that will bring this all to our attention in the end.

There is a way for planet Earth, and it's not just the end times thing, but it's coming to a head soon.

I don't want to go into some woo woo things that I have personally experienced lately, but let me just say, whether you want to believe it or not, the Good entities are currently very busy and hard at work to make the changes necessary to bring the changes needed to this planet.

They will not stand back idle any longer as too many other races have now interferred in this planets affairs, and too much evil has been allowed to roam free.

If we hang in there, and are alive to see it, we will all get a very big surprise someday soon I believe.

But the government, nada, they care not about us at all and are doing all they can to continually suppress this knowledge to their own benifit, bring about a One World Government, and controll us all. If that happens, then yes, you will see the technology they have hidden, but then it will be too late.


Joe Held


PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:07 pm 
I can see we respect a hell ova lot and in essence disagree on very little.
There are a few things unmentioned here.yet
1)the accelleration built in to the scenario.Liek building a pyramid,the last few blocks will out line the reality of the situation very clearly for all to see,while going into position relatively quickly.(compared to building the proof in tiny increments to begin with,the impetus will be and is with,rather than against us as the final few pieces are beginning to fall into place)
2)The fact is there are more people currently just finishing up their regular lives,and about to become reasonably young minded,and interested investigators of the phenomina.(the baby boomers will be flocking to get into it full time.and they have time and money to do it.)
3)We are empowered as never before through the internet.This comunication channel has created the opportunity for a universal mind set to come to fruition.A sort of universal acceptance of each other as we learn we are not all that different from each other.....
The neucleus of this has occured already,and as more and more people get on the net,(like me joining you guys yesterday,)we will grow to have not only a voice,but investigative powers beyond what the scope of this kind of forum covers already,(which in essence is considerable.)
Because the cover up side is a closed ended system,it is vulnerable to pressure in a unique way.It is very difficult for them to keep on dealing with the mounting evidence.
Mathematically i think there is an inevitable break point where the secret can no longer be kept,and the emperor will be seen to be naked.Because you cant kill everybody,as we have seen you cant scare everyone silent....I think a former president or prime minister coming out and saying the truth would be the final straw really.We have seconsd and third and fourth level testimony.
Physical evedence,
What is required is not much now to give the whole thing a final touch of credibility,and the race to disclose would begin.
Remember that the first to speak will likely get immunity,but the last will pay the cost for the human lives and misery they have engendered over their greed.
Sooner rather than later,someone is going to realize that the whole mess cant be promulgated for much longer.At that point it will be every man for himself,and devil take the hindmost.They will all want out and will go overboard trying to out do the whistle blowing .

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:29 pm 
Mark Geuy of Murrieta - this is really good reading. I have to check in here more often.

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