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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:09 am 
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http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2008m12d22-EU-space-official-supports-UFO-disclosure--says-NASA-cant-be-trusted


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Dr. Peter Creola, a retired Swiss chief delegate at the European Space Agency (ESA) and head of the Swiss office for space policies, has joined forces with those who demand the truth about UFOs. ESA is the European version of NASA. On the topic of disclosing the truth about UFOs, Dr. Creola said “…you cannot unconditionally trust NASA.”

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:20 am 
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It's possible NASA is keeping some information secret. For instance Buzz Aldrin saw an unidentified object during Apollo 11's trip to the moon. He didn't reveal his sighting until years later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:48 pm 
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Interesting that in that article it says that it IS Government afterall, and NASA is held to the same standards of secrecy as any other classified department.

And I'm still suspicious of 'disclosure' by Governments. The real meat and potatoes is in the information that is not disclosed. The crashed saucers, physical trace elements, back engineered technology, recovered bodies etc.

It still somehow ties in with the 'soft' disclosure also given by the Vatican, and other subtle hints of 'we are not alone', such as the recorded confessions of Military personnel and Astronauts. It seems a little to select, and a little too rehearsed. One of those situations where enough is disclosed to be quite tantalizing and yet, not enough to prove or confirm anything substantial.

I am not satisfied with any finger pointing or 'disclosure' thus far. It seems a little ironic that Dr. Creola is calling for disclosure, yet is in a position where he could disclose quite a lot himself, but he points the finger at others.

They are all in this together.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:56 am 
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Timbit wrote:
It still somehow ties in with the 'soft' disclosure also given by the Vatican, and other subtle hints of 'we are not alone'


There are a few people who claimed they were given UFO information by the government to produce a film or television program in which the government would admit it's knowlege of UFOs. One film was going to be entitled 'Cosmic Journey',in which the US government was allegedly going to display a preserved alien body and a section of a UFO.

Walt Disney was also allegedly contacted about producing a UFO film:

Kimball stated in the speech that around 1955 or 1956 Walt Disney was contacted by the USAF and asked to cooperate on a documentary about UFOs. The USAF offered to supply actual UFO footage, which Disney would be allowed to use in his film.

According to Kimball, Disney went along with the USAF plan, which was not unusual. The use of Walt Disney cartoons, after all had been suggested by the 1953 CIA Robertson UFO panel as part of a public-education program involving the mass media to "strip the UFO phenomenon of its special status and eliminatethe aura of mystery it has acquired."

The discussions between the CIA people and Disney may actually have taken place, because in August 1955, Frederick C. Durant 111, who was a member of the Robertson CIA panel showed Walt Kimball's documentary "Man in Space" during the Sixth Congress of the International Astronomical Federation in Copenhagan.

Disney had also cooperated with the government in producing a number of war documentaries during World War 11 like the documentary "Victory through Air Power. In one year, during the war, Disney turned out over four hundred thousand feet of government films.

Disney was also, according to a December 16, 1954 FBI document made a SAC Contact for the FBI, which elevated him from his former position as an informant for the agency. The confidential internal FBI memo read,

"Because of Mr. Disney,s position as the foremost producer of cartoon files in the motion picture industry, and his prominence and wide acquaintanceship in film production matters, it is believed that he can be of valuable assistance to this office . . . "

Once Walt Disney had finished his meetings with the USAF, he began to work on the requested UFO documentary for the public. He asked his animators to think up what an alien would look like. Meanwhile, he waited for the Air Force to deliver the promised film. After some period of time the Air Force re-contacted Disney and told him the film offer had to be withdrawn. There would be no UFO footage as promised. Kimball told researcher Stanton Friedman that once he found out there would be no delivery of UFO film, he personally spoke with an Air Force Colonel who told him, "there indeed was plenty of UFO footage, but that neither Ward, nor anyone else, was going to get access to it. This caused a temporary halt to the project. As one account by Bruce Maccabee described it,


"Disney cancelled the project, but by this time a lot of animated film of creatures, had been completed by his artists. So Disney went ahead and made a short 'documentary' anyway, featuring Jonathan Winters impersonating various 'characters' associated with typical UFO lore."

"I specifically recall Mr. Winters as an old lady/grandmother who saw a UFO and reported it... then he portrayed the Air Force officer who investigated the sightings and offered explanations. He also portrayed a little boy in a room who had a telescope looking up at the stars and, to the little boy's amazement, an alien came through the telescope into his room. Of course the boys father didn't believe that story."

The UFO documentary was never shown in public, but Kimball did show the 15-20 minute piece at the 1979 UFO Symposium. The movie, however, did not contain any of the dramatic UFO footage everyone had been promised. What is important to note about this Kimball story about the attempt by the United States government to "spill the beans is that it was not the only time such an incident occurred.

In 1972-73 Colonel Robert Coleman, former USAF Project Blue Book spokesman, and former ATIC Commander Colonel George Weinbrenner, made an offer of "800 feet of film . . .as well as several thousand feet of additional material of dramatic UFO material to documentary film producers Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler at the Pentagon. They would be allowed to use the UFO footage in a special film project they had been asked to join.

The promised film was reportedly dramatic footage of an encounter between the occupants of a landed UFO and officials at Holloman Air Force Base. It impressed Emenegger who described what he saw in 1988, "What I saw and heard was enough to convince me that the phenomenon of UFOs is real very real.

The project was described to the two producers as a documentary on a secret government project. When the two men discovered that the topic of the secret project would be UFOs, they were surprised because "they had assumed that the matter had been resolved with the closure of Project Blue Book in 1969.

The documentary was to be sponsored by the Department of Defense in a claimed attempt to do a public relations turnaround, which was needed because of the Vietnam War. At least that is the story Emenegger and Sandler were told by Bill Coleman. A number of different subjects were proposed for the documentaries, but no other subject, other than UFOs, were brought up.

The two documentary producers were told that the government was now ready to release all the facts about the alien presence on earth. They were shown evidence that they could use for their tell-all documentary. This evidence included:

* Photographs and films of UFOs. - Pictures of grey-skinned alien beings.
* A 16mm movie film of an alien in the company of an Air Force officer. The two men were told that this alien had survived a 1949 crash and it had been kept at a safe house in Los Alamos until its death in 1952.
* 800 feet of film showing a landed encounter between three aliens and Holloman Air Base officials during a landing that had reportedly occurred there in May 1971. Several thousand feet of additional material was also offered.
* Photos of UFOs taken by astronauts, which NASA had formally denied the existence of.

As the documentary neared completion, the two producers waited for the promised dramatic alien landing footage. Colonel Bill Coleman who had first made the offer to provide it in 1972, however, withdrew it. According to what Emenegger told researcher Tim Good, Coleman had declared, "The timing was politically inappropriate, due to the Watergate scandal.

The Emenegger/Sandler documentary, "UFOS, Past, Present, and Future released by Sandler Films in 1974, was forced to use standard animation, background film taken at Holloman, and "elaborate drawing of the so-called aliens. At least that is what the producers thought when they first ran the film. Later, indications arose that indicated 12 seconds of the actual Holloman landing might have been part of the "training film material they were provided. As an interesting footnote to the Disney story, Emenegger reported that he and Sandler had also talked with the Disney people during the time period they were working on the documentary. The people who they spoke to at the Disney studios "seemed to be involved and interested, but not have any particularly startling data.

In 1983, the United States government made yet another offer of dramatic UFO film for a UFO documentary. The offer was made to documentary film producer Linda Moulton Howe and HBO. They were approached and offered the same Holloman landing film along with a film of the live alien that lived in a Los Alamos safe house from 1949-1952.

While preparing to make a UFO documentary for HBO, Howe was given information by Richard Doty, a special agent with Air Force OSI at Kirtland AFB (Albuquerque). Doty claims that higher ups were willing to release special confirming UFO information for her documentary. Howe described the film offer,

"The government intended to release to me several thousand feet of color and black and white film taken between 1947 and 1964 showing crashed UFO discs and extraterrestrial bodies in historic footage to be included in the HBO documentary supported with official government confirmation."

As with Kimball and the Emenegger/Sandler team, the promised film was never released to Howe. Despite Doty,s claim that the government had authorized the release of film showing crashed saucers and alien bodies for use in the HBO documentary, it never materialized due to "political delays. When the alleged historical film footage didn,t materialized, HBO canceled the documentary.

http://www.planetarymysteries.com/ufo/disney.html

http://www.rense.com/general27/dis.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:30 am 
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It must have been quite a disappointment for Disney not to have been allowed what he had been promised by the USAF et al.

Always disappointments. Dangle a carrot here, a few secret meetings there, descriptions of actual footage taken of events, all the elements of disclosure, but it always fell flat.

Disney had the clout to deliver, had he been given the goods.

Tim

p.s. the first link in your post didn't work for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:52 am 
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Let's not get all warm and fuzzy about Mr. Disney. The master of illusion.

What surprises me about this forum and other forums of course, is the willingness of people to accept so much at face value and keep believing in the system, as if it actually had an agenda to actually benefit the people of the world.

Sort of starts to sound like the song "One day my prince will come."

This whole issue about, one day they are going to tell us........tell you what exactly?

The answer would not be suitable for this forum. Yet so many want to believe there is a silver lining to this horrifying nightmare.

You squeeze all the good you can out of life, but you ain't going to get it from the government.

Promise them some film and then refuse...it's a good strategy if you want to make people look like fools and disillusion folks. But whatever you do don't tell them the truth.

Not to worry, they wouldn't believe it anyway, they are just too into the good guys will come through for us, even though they have no idea who the good guys are.


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David said: This whole issue about, one day they are going to tell us........tell you what exactly?


I don't think you give people enough credit to tell the difference between expecting all the answers to come voluntarily from those that hold the secrets, and those of us who think that this disclosure won't be a choice in the end.

I personally believe that there won't be any choices to be made. More likely than not, there will be enough validation via ET themselves, that will either force the issue of disclosure, or will be the cause of disclosure. Either way, disclosure will not be voluntary.

The whole thing in my opinion, is not so much that those of us who know better, already know ET/Abductions etc., already exist, but will be a smack of reality for those that don't have a clue.

The far greater picture is, what will happen when that knowledge does come about in such a way. It really won't matter that a coverup has taken place, because THEY will blow the lid off it.

I don't see a choice here for any of us.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:37 pm 
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There is a good reason why they keep their secrets. NASA was set up by these entities (aliens).
People like Sagan and others like me know we are being driven by some force to do the things we have choosen to do. So, think about it Amererica. Would you tell these secrets to other countries if you knew your solar family and your country would be at a disadvantage. When they do arrive and show themselves, do you really think NASA will ever admit that they are, and have been, being aided since day 1 by our genetic relatives. There are so many of us here on the planET right now who came here together as a pod of entities to be able to play a part in this new age of the cosmos. Remote viewing is a HUGE part of how our solar cousins speak to us.
PS. Not all NASA employees have come here on a choosen path for space travel. Some people just make their living there.

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If NASA was set up by ET we're in very deep trouble me thinks.

Tim, it's not a matter of giving people enough credit, its a matter of knowing what they have behind the curtain and they ain't going to open the curtain.

Somehow people have the idea this is about ET and saucer space craft, only to a point and then its all about us, the people who inhabit this earth.

We keep thinking there is some cool stuff they are hiding, but there is no cool stuff.

America don't have it and they don't know how to get it, so when push comes to shove they would have to admit they didn't have the goods or the ability to acquire same.

So we get misinformation to suggest big things are cooking in secret...but they only wish it were so.

It's like the wizard of Oz, there is nothing to reveal, just some bright person creating misinformation.

And ET is not going to save the day, protocol does not permit, it's up to us the people to get a grip on the reality of our own world, the one where we live and where eventually we will some day die.

If they actually had what people think they have they would not be playing around with all this disinformation. They are shadow boxing on a world stage.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:12 pm 
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Hi David.
Does that mean you don't think the paranormal world a reality? Because logic does not apply when you are talking about paranormal things such as entities and ETs right?
The only ones who would be in trouble are those who know that all govenments including ours really have no control over anything and are bound by a choice between cooperation or ellimination. If these tales are true of anomallies causing instuments to become useless, as reported by pilots around the world, then we are powerless to fight back. Not to mention these entities ability to influence the human mind in too many ways to count. Paranormal events are what they are. You either believe in them or you don't. But you can't have it both ways. At least I don't think so. What do you think?


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