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[font "Times New Roman"]Introduction[/font][/url][font "Times New Roman"] to measurements and calculations re experiments related to UFO?s[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Searching the web I have found a surprising number of measurements and scientific experiments have been done in relation to UFOs. I know |bergle loves data so t[/font][font "Times New Roman"]he function of this post is to categorize this work and make it available to the UFOseek members. I find it fascinating and hope these[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]examples helps you appreciate the science and performance capabilities of these machines. And the work calculating them done by others[/font] [font "Times New Roman"]since I am a mathematical dummie. I arranged this in columbs but it has not come out that way.sssoooo hope you can follow it.[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Kev[/font]

[font "Times New Roman"][/font][u][font "Times New Roman"]Acceleration Measurements and [/font][/url][font "Times New Roman"]Calculations[/font][/u]
[font "Times New Roman"]Given an object of known size that travels a known distance in a known time from a standing start, it is possible to calculate the linear acceleration. Given an object of known size that travels an arc of known radius in a known time, it is possible to calculate the turning acceleration. Both of these calculations have been performed several times for UFOs.[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"][b]Here are the equations:[/b][/font] [font "Times New Roman"]Turning Acceleration[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]v = (2 pi r) / t[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]a = (v^2) / (rg)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]where[/font] [ul] [li][font "Times New Roman"]a = the turning acceleration in multiples of 1 gravity (32.2 ft / sec / sec or 9.8 m / sec / sec) [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]v = the velocity of the object along the arc [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]g = earth's gravitational acceleration [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]r = radius of the curvature of a circular path [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]t = time for 1 cycle [/font][/li][/ul]
[font "Times New Roman"][i]Case[/i][/font] [b]
[/b][font "Times New Roman"]July 16, 1952, Hampton, VA 8PM

Two objects flew toward coast from the sea, flew in a circle around a common center; they were joined by two others and flew away non rotating[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Paul Hill (aeronautical engineer)`, friend, other independent witnesses at other locations[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Triangulation from Hill and other witnesses provided distance / altitude; combined with angular size of circle and rate of circling provides circumference of circle and velocity[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 1 sec
r = 100'
v = 628 ft / sec (428 mph)
a = 122 G[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 1 sec
r = 30.48 m
v = 192 m/sec (689 kph)
a = 122 G[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"][i]Unconventional Flying Objects: a scientific approach, [/i]Hill, ISBN-57174-027-9[/font] [font "Times New Roman"]Linear Acceleration[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]a = (2d) / ((g)(t^2))[/font] [ul] [li][font "Times New Roman"]a = the linear acceleration in multiples of 1 gravity [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]g = earth's gravitational acceleration [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]t = time from start of measurement [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]d = distance traveled in time t [/font][/li][/ul]
[font "Times New Roman"]v = (2d) / t[/font] [ul] [li][font "Times New Roman"]v = speed [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]d = distance [/font][/li] [li][font "Times New Roman"]t = time [/font][/li][/ul]

[b][font "Times New Roman"][i]Case[/i][/font] [/b]
[font "Times New Roman"]1962, 4PM

Large cigar shaped object travelled between two known reference points in a known period of time[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Paul Hill (aeronautical engineer) and companion[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Distance between reference points, time[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 4 secs
d = 5 mi
a = 102 G
v = 13,200 ft / sec (9,000 mph)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 4 secs
d = 0.8 km
a = 102 G
v = 4,023 m/sec (14,484 kph)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"][i]Unconventional Flying Objects: a scientific approach, [/i]Hill, ISBN-57174-027-9[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Marignane Airport[/font][font "Times New Roman"], Oct 26-27th 1952

Customs officer observes spindle shaped object approach, land, and depart. Reference points include building at 0.5 mi and position directly in front of witness[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]M. Gaichinard, customs officer[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Distance between reference points, time between approach / passing building and departure / passing building[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Incoming (assumes smooth deceleration - though witness indicates object stopped instantaneously from about 150 mph)

t = 7 to 10 secs, use 8.5 (assuming passed over bldg halfway through approach)
d = 0.5 mi
a = -2.269 G
v = 621 ft / sec (423 mph) (witness estimated 150 mph)

or

t = 20 secs (assuming first seen over building, took entire approach to slow down)
d = 0.5 mi
a = -0.4 G
v = 264 feet / sec or 180 mph (very close to estimate by witness)

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Incoming stop in 0.01 sec (based on witness assertion of dead stop from 150 mph)

t = 0.01 sec
d = 0.0001894 feet (needed to reach 140mph)
a = 621 G

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Outgoing (smooth acceleration)

t = 2-3 secs, use 3
d = 0.5 mi
a = 18 G
v = 1760 ft / sec or 1200 mph

(even though the witness claimed immediate acceleration, since the object would be going over 300 mph after the first sec, it could easily have been this acceleration value)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Incoming (assumes smooth deceleration - though witness indicates object stopped instantaneously from about 150 mph)

t = 7 to 10 secs, use 8.5 (assuming passed over bldg halfway through approach)
d = 0.8 km
a = -2.269 G
v = 189 m/sec (682 kph) (witness estimated 250 kph)

or

t = 20 secs (assuming first seen over building, took entire approach to slow down)
d = 0.8 km
a = -0.4 G
v = 80 m/sec (290 kph) (very close to estimate by witness)

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Incoming stop in 0.01 sec (based on witness assertion of dead stop from 150 mph)

t = 0.01 sec
d = 0.0001894 feet (needed to reach 140mph)
a = 621 G

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Outgoing (smooth acceleration)

t = 2-3 secs, use 3
d = 0.5 mi
a = 18 G
v = 1760 ft / sec or 1200 mph

(even though the witness claimed immediate acceleration, since the object would be going over 300 mph after the first sec, it could easily have been this acceleration value)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Mark Cashman 3/98[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Aircraft near Goshen, IN, Apr 12, 1950

Pilot observed large luminous disk pacing aircraft which currently had an airspeed of 175 mph. UFO doubles speed to estimated 400 mph in three seconds


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[font "Times New Roman"]Captain Robert Adickes and co-pilot Robert Manning[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Estimated speed relative to known aircraft speed[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 3 secs
d = .05 mi (distance travelled in 3 secs) (293 feet)
a = (2*293)/((32.2)(3^2)) = .09G[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]t = 3 secs
d = .09 km (90.083m)

a = (2*90.083)/((32.2)(3^2)) = .09G[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Mark Cashman 7/98[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]April 24, 1964, Socorro, NM 5:45 PM

Elliptical object landed in a ravine after a roaring approach with blue flame-like luminosity from the underside. Landing pad and footprint traces and charred brush were left behind. Two occupants were seen. [/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Ptl. Lonnie Zamora[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Approximate time from hovering over landing site to crossing over dynamite shack[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Assuming 3 seconds (not confirmed) from start to crossing over shack

t = 3 secs
d = 0.11 mi
a = 4.14 G
v = 400 fps (273 mph)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Assuming 3 seconds (not confirmed) from start to crossing over shack

t = 3 secs
d = 0.18 km
a = 4.14 G
v = 122 m /sec (439 kph)[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"][/font][font "Times New Roman"]Speed Measurements and Calcula[/font][/url][font "Times New Roman"]tions[/font]

[font "Times New Roman"][b][i]Case[/i][/b][/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]December 6, 1952, 18,000 feet above the Gulf of Mexico, 100 mi S of Louisiana coast, 5:25 AM

Main radar detected fast moving target approaching; 4 other blips then detected on main scope, captain's scope and navigator's scope; a second group of blips detected, then a third (which was observed visually from the waist blister); and fifth group paced the aircraft for ten seconds, then departed to rendezvous with large stationary blip that then departed.[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Crew of a B-29 bomber including radar operator[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]Speed of incoming objects and rendezvous object clocked on radar[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]First object clocked at 5,240 mph (13 nm between sweeps); all subsequent groups at about 5,000 mph; large blip departed at 9,000 mph[/font]
[font "Times New Roman"]First object clocked at 8,433 kph, all subsequent groups at about 8,000 kph; large blip departed at 14,484 kph[/font]
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[b][i]Calculation By[/i][/b]
[i]Unconventional Flying Objects: a scientific approach, [/i]Hill, ISBN-57174-027-9[/i][/font]
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:24 pm 
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Interesting informtion, Bushihanshi...

BTW--nice to see you're back in the forum again, after your computer problems.
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thanks tweaked, and have a great vacation.

I know Bergle loves "hard info" and its my passion too, not that I necessarily understand it myself [tongue]
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There is something missing here.......they are making reference to acceleration and deceleration but correspond this to their linear concept of same, which in my view is a mistake.

Also, when viewing craft traveling at so many thousand mpk or mph it has to be taken into account that these craft operate on the basis of a time differential which distorts our perception of the time involved.

An instantaneous stop or go is just that, instantaneous and not acceleration or deceleration as we think of it.
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"they are making reference to acceleration and deceleration but correspond this to their linear concept of same, which in my view is a mistake".

I know what you mead David. People are stuck in the concept, because if something where to just stop the occupant would be .. well splattered I guess. As with the 90 degree turns etc. At speed you would think the occupant would be ripped out of his/her/its skin?

We don't comprehend, so continue to talk in terms we understand i.e "acceleration or deceleration as we think of it". Perhaps these craft are , as some suspect, merely drones (no Crew). we still know so little.

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Here is another twist, and I'm not sure how this fits into the picture, but in Corso's book, The Day After Roswell, he stated that there was no known propulsion systems, rudders, control panels, or any other mechanical evidence whatsoever to explain how the alien ship was flown. (Roswell). He further stated that examination of the forensic evidence stated that the 'skin' of aliens was not like human skin, and the material that coated the ship itself was a protective layer of intricately connected fibres, as was the 'skin'. The suggestion was that the 'pilots' and the material protecting the ship were interfaces, and 'flying' it per se, was done by will. By whose will, was not determined.

Your reference to perhaps drones, might fit that theory. In that part of the book, it also referenced the fact that the debris from the crash was not accurately reported, and the ship, due to its structure and material, was mostly perfectly intact. As though it was designed to withstand impact. One person at the scene said that it looked like it should be able to just take off again.

Interestingly enough, the fibres he spoke of which composed the 'skin', were taled about in the Starchild Project. An analysis of the skull showed the same interwoven 'fabric' throughout the bone. It was impossible to cut through due to its strength, by any known types of analysis.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we are to understand how these ships operate the way they do, our calculations have to include somewhere, the idea that we are dealing with flight patterns and craft that have no earth science in which to explain them.

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[#0000ff]"referenced the fact that the debris from the crash was not accurately reported, and the ship, due to its structure and material, was mostly perfectly intact". [/#0000ff]
we are dealing with materials well beyond our understanding. Another typical nugget of information is given to us by [font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Paul Hill in a discussion of the results of the analysis of a possible UFO artefact. The now famous Ubatuba magnesium fragments, claimed to have originated from an exploded unidentified craft near Ubatuba, Brazil. [/size][/font]
[font "Times New Roman"][size 3]Laboratory analysis of the samples found the magnesium to be not only of exceptional purity, and anomalous in its trace composition of other elements, but 6.7% denser than ordinary pure magnesium, (a figure well beyond the experimental error of the measurement). Hill's calculation shows that this observation can be accounted for by assuming that the sample contained only the pure isotope [b]Mg26 [/b](rather than the naturally-occurring distribution among isotopes Mg24, Mg25 and Mg26). Since the only isotope separation on a significant scale in terrestrial manufacture is that of [b][i]uranium[/i][/b], such a result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly be considered evidence of extraterrestrial manufacture.[/size][/font]
[#0000ff]The suggestion was that the 'pilots' and the material protecting the ship were interfaces, and 'flying' it per se, was done by will.[/#0000ff]
I can well believe this. Already today Pilots no longer have to aim their missles. the eyes are trained seperately and whilst flying with one eye, the other selects the target. To imagine this on a "whole ship-whole body" interface is only a matter of time.

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Of course it would appear very strange to Corso, because it is unlike anything he had seen before, but the idea that there are no controls of any kind is simply not correct. There is what could roughly be described as a control panel with illuminated buttons, but no joy stick, rudders or flaps etc. So to someone like him the ship would appear to be flying itself.

In my account of the incident which ended in Paris, the pilot of the jet was removed from his cockpit without moving and in a split second found himself sitting on the floor of the saucer. he did not exit his plane and he did not enter the saucer by any means visible. He was simply transferred from one space and time to another space and time.......zap. Yet his plane remained in flight as though it was attached to the saucer somehow. But once over the ocean it was let go and it crashed into the sea. Pretty awesome stuff alright.

It is the simplicity of the whole thing that overwhelms people, as it is very simple once you get the hang of it.

The focus of field is not an easy one to grasp, but once you get it you have to laugh out loud, because it is a great deal simpler than any jet aircraft yet so much more efficient.

Another mind boggling aspect to this is that there is no saucer fuel.......none.
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[#0000bf]the pilot of the jet was removed from his cockpit without moving and in a split second found himself sitting on the floor of the saucer[/#0000bf]
you talk of one space time to another space time and I wondered if this was "power of mind" transfer or some Transporter method (like star trek I guess)?
Thought can take us instantly from one place to another, we just can't back it up physically yet...maybe this is the great evolutionary leap we are waiting for.

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It sure weren't the pilots mind doing the work, he was too busy focusing on flying his fighter jet.

All I can say is it's bloody amazing stuff and way beyond anything we could even think of doing.

It would be like if you were sitting at your computer with all the doors and windows closed and suddenly you found yourself sitting in the back of a taxi speeding to the airport.........I think it would give you quite a shock.

I do believe there is a an actual method to this, but not in the sense that we might think. Such as we might think it would work this way and in fact it works in a completely different manner. My take on it is that it is all focus, much like a vortex driven by a magnetic frame.

The most awesome part of it is that it is instantaneous, one second you are there and then zap in less than a millisecond you are here.

This exercise did not affect the plane whatsoever. The cockpit canopy remained sealed. Plus the saucer crew had complete (remote) control of the plane.
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