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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:21 pm 
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We can clearly see the effects of global warming, there is no dispute about that. If the warning signs cause us to think and take more responsibility for our actions, that can only be a good thing. On the other hand, to suggest that because we are not responsible for it, we cannot affect it, isn't accurate in my humble opinion.

Maybe there is more to be gained by doing what we can do, then doing nothing because the effects are beyond our control.

I had posted some time ago about the doom and gloom philosopies of world leaders, scientists, and the like, who conveniently placed the blame for all climatic change on the shoulders of the public. I read of Al Gore's following, and his impact on drilling that guilt/responsibility knife into the backs of ordinary people. Humans were responsible for Katrina, humans are responsible for all the effects of global warming. Did you know that the British High Court has determined that there are so many innacuracies in his film that teachers are required to balance the information with fact?

This gentleman has managed propaganda, disinformation, and bad science, all the way to the bank, and the entire world bought it hook, line, and sinker. He was riding high on his ego, while pushing information that was not correct, and has been proven to be incorrect, to the point where there are calls to take back the Nobel Peace Prize.

And all the way down the line, economically, there has been a resulting windfall, as you say Ifcevans, on taxes upon taxes to reverse, change, alter or cure the atmosphere based on bad science. What kind of a person/government/leader would jump on such a bandwagon, and for what purpose other than power, control, and money. We have really be suckered on this one.

The only good news is that as scientists recover their integrity, the truth comes trickling out, and somewhere down the process, we learn that we're not such evil earth wrecking monsters afterall.

If we can all be brainwashed to such a degree, is it any wonder that we've had 50 years of UFO coverups too?

I cannot find the original articles I had posted last year, but here is a link to some of what I have been talking about, and many good links included in the article.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=59319

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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:29 pm 
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We've been under ever-increasing cigarette discrimination for YEARS! Now we can't smoke in parks, at the beaches, most outside restaurants, and some cities have enacted heavily enforced NO SMOKING ordinances in cars, in cars with people under 18, in apartments, and it just keeps getting worse. Now many hotels are TOTALLY non-smoking--not even on the balconies, if you're fortunate enough to have one. Cruise ships are going non-smoking. Casinos are clamping down over in Nevada. MOST airlines (still) allow their pilots to smoke in the locked cockpits, but, of course, no passengers can smoke in the planes or in most of the airports. Our (fire hazard) neighborhood Homeowners' Assoc. has TRIED to stop us from smoking outside on our decks and other portions of our properties, and lots of real estate agent won't even list a house wherein a smoker resides... but with the real estate crisis and homes sales down so much, this may play out eventually in smokers' favor when it gets bad enough.

I am the first one to say smoking is bad ... but I've been smoking since I was 11, and my partner refuses to even try to quit, so matter how successful I am for the first few days, I can't "make it" while living in a home where there's another smoker; it's just NOT going to happen. I've lost the battle too many times.

Now the Powers That Be have started in on the FOOD! I am down to 80 lbs. because of a rare stomach disorder (that has nothing to do with smoking...) but trying to get a high-caloric meal in a restaurant these days is getting near-impossible. It's all RABBIT FOOD--no transfats, no real sugar and butter--just the "options" that organic food books say is far worse for your body than the real ingredients, used in moderation. Aspartame (a sugar substitute) is REALLY BAD for us--but most soft drinks, Nicorette Gum, regular gums and candies, and most foods have substituted it now for the real thing...

On one hand I think limiting pollution (even smoking) is probably, overall, good... even though it directly affects me. BUT THE CIGARETTES ARE STILL LEGAL. Employers now have the rights to FIRE people for having nicotine in your blood during random drug tests. KIDS are being expelled from school for nicotine in their blood streams. Some ordinances won't even let me drive with the top down on my car if I'm smoking, and since everyone now has cell phones, license plate numbers get called into 9-1-1 regularly, and people get stopped, their ashtrays checked, etc.

And look at the insanity of the U.S. saying Fossil Fuel consumption is bad--so we're trading COAL from the U.S. to China in an effort to stop their nuclear power advancement. Now, just how SICK is that? Don't the government people know that coal burned there is carried on the jet stream back to HERE??! The world is CRAZY... no consistency. And just last night I heard that because a tobacco consortium helped finance a medical study wherein it's thought that C.T. Scans done early on heavy smokers can detect cancer in the lungs much earlier than with other alternative tests ... but now the entire study is being called "flawed" because a tobacco group helped to finance the study. HOW CRAZY IS THAT???! It gives the insurance companies the right to REFUSE to cover lung C.T. Scans, so now we're required to cover our own bill for the scan, which can run $2500. My insurance company even refuses to cover anesthetic for some of the tests I have to have run, every 4 months, which require me to be totally asleep--so we're paying $1000 cash up front BEFORE I can have the tests. (Last year we paid, in just CO-PAYMENTS for my insurance coverage, over 40K. And we're NOT rich!!!) We're retired! If it gets worse, I don't know what we'll do. I guess I'll just have to die... instead of getting the testing and the prescriptions, lots of which are being eliminated from Blue Cross' coverage of drugs. (sigh!)

Sorry for the rant ... but sometimes I get so frustrated, I have to vent.

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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:13 pm 
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I can totally relate to the rant. No matter how many times you turn around and get a grip on things, things change again.

Total ridiculousness. If that's a word. I work with two smokers, every shift. They sit in a special place inside the workplace because they have severe allergies to perfumes, among other things. But not to cigarette smoke, right? Wrong. They go outside to have their cigarette breaks, but do not socialize with other smokers outside because the smoke bothers them. But they smoke, and do more than their share of complaining about the smell on people's clothes which also causes them discomfort in the workplace. So, we have different levels of smokers too. Smokers vs. smokers.........just plain nuts.

It is legal, yet you are treated like a ciminal. No matter how considerate you are, and private you are, in your own home or elsewhere, you are still treated like a criminal.

You're not a person anymore, who smokes. You are a smoker. Period.

I too would like to quit, and have faced that losing battle more than once. I have been told recently of a pill, which has much the same effect as atabuse, for alcoholics. There is a physically nasty reaction in the body when you smoke. Apparently a 1 year guarantee from the first pill. I'll let you know what my Doctor says about that one- I may try it.

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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:18 pm 
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If that's the prescription drug that's being hawked down here in the states, BE CAREFUL. Psychotic reactions along with health problems & death in a few cases are the side affects being shown on TV ads.

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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:20 am 
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My point was not against a clean environment........it was the fact that we are being lied to.

Al Gore is up to his ass in fabrications.......a fantasy intent on making people believe that by not cutting the lawn with a power mower they are going to stop climate change and save the planet.......pollution has to go....but lets not kid ourselves about saving the world from climate change...it is not going to happen.

Things are happening with the sun.......and its not a good news story......if the sun is cooling we can expect some fireworks in our future and a whole lot of wild fires.

If we are losing our atmosphere, which we eventually will, we should at least have some idea as to how bad things really are as opposed to the deception we are being fed at the present time.


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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:43 am 
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Sorry, I missed all those posts....so I catch up.

Makes me feel people are not very bright to buy into this......smokers are bad people, avoid them at all cost.

But what about the fumes from all the cars and trucks......are they bad people too?

How silly of me........they are not people......they are cars and trucks.

But up here in Canada.......drug addicts get special treatment and free needles and a clean warm place to shoot up.

On the other hand smokers get the boot and maybe even arrested.......police checking the ashtray in your car? Nicotine in your blood can get you fired? What the hell is going on?

The world is insane........in need of intense therapy.....it appears the inmates are running the psychiatric hospital......which is now of global proportions.

Coming soon........smokers will be on the no fly list, next thing to being a terrorist.


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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:48 am 
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Timbit........doesn't it strike you that many people are unbalanced.......a bit unhinged.

I think they might even be a bit nuts........imagine all the people, are crazy in the head.

What is happening to our world........is madness contagious? It would appear it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:33 am 
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Yes David, I do feel that the word 'unbalanced' is very apt in describing collective consciousness. I think much has to do with a loss of objective thought, in particular, objective thought as it relates to 'me'.

There was a time for example, where we actually socialized for the purpose of socializing, that being contributing intellectual thought and conversation on issues of ethics, politics, religion, social responsibility, accountability, knowledge and experience of world events, etc. We cared not so much as to the topic in particular, but in the natural social interraction in being able to discuss topics and situations outside of ourselves. Opinions were respected and politely considered, and argued for and against. It was a whole, shared experience that reinforced human interraction in mutually beneficial, socially responsible, adult appropriate, mature ways.

We don't think anymore, so we don't have an opinion to offer, and if we do, it's the opinion of everybody else, and who needs to talk about it anyway, it doesn't affect 'me'. I could care less, by jumping on the 'smokers are pond scum' bandwagon, because that is the way everybody I know thinks, and I do not need to consider or discuss the ramifications of damning people who smoke. I agree with everybody and everybody agrees with me. What more is there to my point of view that could possibly be challenged.

And so it goes. Everybody loves Oprah. Everybody. If you don't, you don't count, and I could care less to discuss the ethics of her behaviour. She pays poor people to exploit other poor people, and, like, I should care?

That is why this place means so much to me. It is my coffee house, meeting place, learning place, and the only place I know where I can come and learn something new, and be better informed about people, places and things that stir some actual PASSION in people.

Nobody stops to smell the roses anymore........

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 Post subject: Re: Questionable Science
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:53 am 
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Nobody stops to smell the roses anymore........

I do... and I've got some teeny-tiny buds beginning to flouish!

But you're both right... about the social interactions. I suppose I do it more than most of the people I know (although my neighbors who socialize do it for neighborhood POLITICAL reasons, not for pleasure). I attend MUFON meetings, go to Laughlin where we party almost every night and discuss the lecturers we've heard throughout the day, and we talk about personal experiences in common with those around us. But without going to work every day, even the places where I do go to be with others usually stimulates only THIS part of my life. Rarely are politics, personal challenges or triumphs, likes & dislikes, etc. discussed anymore because the world seems to be so polarized.

I learn more and interact more and get far more pleasure out of this community, and the few other forums I frequent, than I do out of any physical interactions with people, these days. In a way that's nice... in a sad way, that's what technology has done to and for all of us. On one hand, forums allow us to associate and interact with great people from all over the world, but we never REALLY get to know each other personally. The one time, over a year ago, I allowed a forum friend from Michigan to have our unpublished number, it ended up in DISASTER. She began calling and bullying me for my posts--the ones she didn't agree with, and I ended up leaving that forum, and threatening to sue for harassment if she ever dialed my number again. And then of course there was the British guy on this forum who had a pick at me last year, as some of you may remember. So now I'm much more guarded than I ever thought I'd have to be.

That's why maintaining civility in forums is SO important. We can get to know the good parts of each others' hearts, and in the process, learn a lot about life in other places. Miro did a great thing when he put together this community.

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How true you have to be so careful now. In a way, it is sad that so much communication is really anonymous, but there are a lot of very strange people out there in cyberworld. I hear horror stories at work all the time of people being very personally affected by the actions of others once they get personal information.

I admire you for all your interests and that you go to the effort to actually make face to face contact. I find I pretty much avoid conversing at work, where I spend most of my interraction time, because there is only so much time you can get a conversation going on a smoke break! lol Not only that, but non-smokers want to tan my hide!! lol Puff and run like hell.

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