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 Author: matt [ Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:44 am ] Post subject: Free Energy I've heard that Nikola Tesla discovered the secret of Free Energy. Ifthat's true, why hasn't it been commercially developed? I know somewill say it's a conspiracy by the oil companies and utilities. Butthere must be a way for some company to make money from this, especiallynow that we're fighting a war for oil in the Middle East, and withconcerns about global warming. Remember back in the 1950s, when nuclearenergy was predicted to be "too cheap to meter?" Yet that technologywas developed. Free Energy sounds physically impossible, like perpetualmotion. :x:x___

 Author: Guest [ Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:46 pm ] Post subject: Re: [matt] Free Energy [:P]global economy.

 Author: Michel [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:10 pm ] Post subject: Re: [Guest] Free Energy Hello has all! Gravity Motors = Free Energy: http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr/ http://ntpo.com/invention/invention2/9_en.shtml I awaits your comments.

 Author: miro [ Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:00 am ] Post subject: Re: [Michel] Free Energy Very interesting information, thanks Michel. [tongue] ___

 Author: Michel [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:04 pm ] Post subject: Re: Free Energy [b]Free energy.[/b] [b]The operation of a float of the engine 01 11357[/b] The operation of a float. Ex.: [img]http://www.izobretenija.ru/images/vashi_27/image003.jpg[/img] We manufacture the float (variable volume) in such way, that in state of minimal volume it weighs 10 kg UNDER WATER, and in a maximum state of volume it weighs less than water (-)10 kg, so that it emerges worm surface. Ex., if its weight is = 110 kg, its volume is = 100 liters in a its state of min. volume and 120 liters in the state of max. volume. The float is hermetic, inside is the air and its mechanism, by ex.: [img]http://www.izobretenija.ru/images/vashi_27/image007.jpg[/img] The mechanism includes/understands the mass (any concrete mass e.g. or a volume filled with sand), which is fixed at the end of an arm of lever. Inside are them (or it) springs with gas, and the piston. The spring with gas it is a cylinder with the piston, filled by nitrogen under the pressure. The springs with gas, e.g. are used in the cars for the maintenance of the back door (or of cap), which opens upwards. The float is under water, e.g. with the depth 3 m, the piston turned worm the top, as shown on the drawing: [img]http://xs60.xs.to/pics/05510/Poplavok_1.jpg[/img] We analyze that happens: The mass (e.g. of a weight = 100 kg) will move worm bottom, it will move (will attract inside) the piston, by decreasing the volume of the float and by compressing the springs with gas (to which we store the potential energy). With the depth 3 m the pressure of water = 0,3 kg /cm². This pressure operate the piston with the force, proportional A overrates it piston. If piston overrates it = 800 cm², water with the 3 m depth will operate the piston by the force of: 800 * 0,3 = 240 kg. At the end of arm of the lever one will have 240/2 = 120 kg. If the springs with gas are at the end of the lever, on the springs one will have the weight of the mass (100 kg) and forces it of 120 kg, coming from the piston. At the end of arm of the lever one will have: 100 + 120 = 220 kg. We choose the springs with gas of a force of thorough = 220 kg. The float decreases its volume, its weight under water becomes = 10 kg and it cule worm the bottom. Let us admit that the depth of the pissine is = 8 m. The float passes from the 3 m depth until the depth of 8 Mr. Chemin traversed = 5 m. Let us admit that the height of the float makes it possible the mass to move at the distance = 50 cm. The course of the mass = 50 cm. Since the piston is pushed by the medium of the lever, it will pass the distance 50/2 = 25 cm. Piston = 800 cm² overrates * 25 cm = 20 000 cm.cube = 20 liters. The displacement of the piston with decreased the volume of the float to 20 liters. For a weight of 110 kg and the volume (of the float under water) of 100 liters, its weight (under water) is = 10 kg. The float of 10 kg "falls" from a 5 m height (under the effect of the gravitation). The float "fell" (run) to the depth 8 m. The mass inside the float is in bottom, the piston is moved (is attracted) inside. Now we turn over the float to 180 °. For that one must raise a weight of 10 kg to the 50 cm height (the float weighs under water 10 kg, the mass is in bottom) so that the mass passes to the top. Mass = 50 cm traverse. The float will be found in this position: [img]http://www.izobretenija.ru/images/vashi_27/image003.jpg[/img] The gravitation and the springs with gas (they will return energy accumulated) will move the mass worm bottom, will push the piston worm bottom (interior worm outside), having increased the volume of the float by 20 liters. Maintaining the float is lighter than water, it weighs under water (-)10 kg and will assemble worm the top, worm depth the 3 m, there one stops it. The float, "while falling" from the 5 m height produces energy and to turn over it, it is also necessary to spend energy. C.t.d., the float (10 kg)"fell" from a 5 m height and to turn over it, it should be raised (its weight of 10 kg while turning over it) to a 50 cm height. From here: [b]5 m - 0,5 m = 4,5 m[/b] - the distance, on the which float produces energy. Energy does not depend on the trajectory, but only on the height. For the top (with the depth 3 m) it is necessary turned over again, while spending the same quantity of energy that in bottom, and it runs, etc. So that the floats are turned over themselves and to increase the power of system, we fix the floats at a chain (or chains), which circumvent the wheels and the floats are turned over, by circumventing the wheels. Ex. like that: (the diagram) [img]http://www.izobretenija.ru/images/vashi_27/image001.gif[/img] The floats are turned over to 180 ° in top and to 180 ° in bottom, by circumventing the wheels and they produces useful work (energy) while going down (while running) and while going up (while floating worm top). [b]Calculation of engine 01 11357[/b] (exemple). It is considered, that the wheel axle sup. is on the level of overrates water, and one selected the weight of mass. Ex. one selected the weight of the mass = 100 kg. Ex. the distance enters the axes of the wheels = 5 m. From here, the pressure has the depth 5 m = 0.5 kg/cm². (to include/understand, to see the point "D", diagram). From (for this depth) we calculate the surface of the piston, in not do not forget that one with the springs has gases, which are compress (the spring has gas were compressed by the mass, when the float this found in top, of dimension right, on the level of the wheel axle sup.). To counter the pressure of water the 5 m depth there is lays out: 100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 100 kgf (the force of pushed springs has gas) = 200 kgf (this force is at the end of the lever). Holding account that the piston is thorough (worm outside) by the medium of the lever, the force is multiplied by 2: 200 kgf X 2 = 400 kgf. Since the distance enters the axes = 5 m and to the pressure of water to the 5 m depth = 0.5 kg/cm², consequently: - 400 kgf/0.5 kg/cm² = 800 cm² (piston overrates it). From here one calculates coefficient 800/100 = 8. (it is for the convenience, it is easier to make calculate them more detailed with him). Now, that one found the surface of the piston, one makes the correction for the depth, to which this finds the engine. The engine is under water, the higher axis this finds with the 3 m depth by ex. From here: - the pressure has the 3 m depth = of 0.3 kg/cm² (not "B" fig. 1). We lay out of this pressure on the piston with the point "B" and it will produce the force of thorough on the piston of 800 cm² (the surface of piston) X 0.3 kg/cm² (pressure of water) = 240 kgf. Since this force is applied to the medium of the lever, then, at its end we will obtain: 240/2 = 120 kgf, which is added to the force, which comes from the mass, weighing 100 kilogrammes (fig. 1 point "B"). On the springs with gas there will be (to compress them) the force of 100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 120 kgf (coming from the pressure) = 220 kgf, which one will store in the springs with gas (the force of propulsion, that one will use, when the float moves at the point "D"). The distance between the axes = 5 m, that means that the lower axis this finds with the depth: 3 m + 5 m = 8 m. With this depth (not "D" fig. 1) pressure = 0.8 kg/cm². The piston of 800 cm² operates the force, causes by the pressure of water (0.8 kg/cm²). 800 (piston overrates it) X 0.8 (pressure of water) = [b]640[/b] kgf This force operate the piston of outside worm the interior. Now let us look at the force on the side opposite of piston: - 100 kg - the weight of the mass. - 220 kg - the force of propulsion of the springs. Total: 100 kgf + 220 kgf = 320 kgf. This force acts on the end of the lever. In the medium of the lever (and on the piston) one will have 320 X 2 = [b]640[/b] kgf. The forces of propulsion are identical on two sides of the piston (outside and interior). One little to leave like that. In this case in high A right (not "B") the piston will move worm the lower interior (increases the pressure of water in connection with the increase depth), and in bottom left it has will move worm outside above point "D"; (the pressure of water will decrease). But one little also to increase the weight of the masses with 5-10-20... kg to calculate these weights it is necessary to hold account, primarily, of the losses for frictions, which comes from the springs with gas. It is all. ______________ S.M. http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr

 Author: Nico [ Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:43 pm ] Post subject: Re: [matt] Free Energy Hi Matt, maybe I respond too late. But for those of you who will be interested. I believe this permanent magnetic motor design is really possible Check it out. [url "http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/index.shtml"]http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/index.shtml[/url]___

 Author: bergle [ Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:10 am ] Post subject: Re: [matt] Free Energy Couldnt you simply put a float on a threaded spindle so as it rose (by wave action of ocean,) it would turn the spindle and in turn produce electricity?Or put it on a rocker arm and let the waves lift it and gravity drop it and the resulting action may be tapped into a rotating shaft to produce electricity?___

 Author: david barclay [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:09 pm ] Post subject: Re: [matt] Free Energy If you want to talk about free energy the first thing we have to do is figure out exactly what energy is and it might surprise you to discover that in all honesty science is not exactly sure what energy really is. Some of us question whether the ratio of energy per unit of mass is the same for all materials, as it seems logical that the ratio would be different for different materials and would also be different for different masses of the same material. And it just might be that the smaller mass of a similar material would have the higher ratio of energy per unit of mass. So when you consider all the unknowns and all the uncertainty surrounding energy it is not too difficult to understand why we do not have access to free energy. Also, you pointed out that we were fighting over oil. Doesn't that tell you something? If big business was truly interested in the well being of humanity would they be spending money killing people? I don't think so. But mind you I do believe free energy is accessible, its simply a matter of having the desire to make it happen, but to date there is simply not a willingness on the part of big science, big business and big government to go there.___

 Author: bergle [ Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:02 am ] Post subject: Re: [david barclay] Free Energy PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF ON THIS POINT....................A SMALLER MASS WOULD HAVE GREATER ENERGY THAN LARGER MASS OF SIMILAR MATERIAL....... IT DOES NOT STAND TO REASON WHERE I AM LOOKING FROM...... YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY.NOT COMMING TO THIS STATEMENT FROM " INSIDE THE BOX" CAN YOU CLARIFY THIS IN TEN WORDS OR LESS?HA HA PLEASE EXPLAIN WE ARE DEFINATELY INTERTESTED. THANX, BERGLE___

 Author: david barclay [ Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:56 am ] Post subject: Re: [bergle] Free Energy Berge, The larger mass usually has the higher energy potential, but the smaller mass of this same material has the higher [b]ratio of energy per unit of mass[/b], which is an important distinction. It is not that the smaller mass has more energy, but that the smaller mass has a higher ratio of energy per unit of mass.Of course this is not presently accepted by mainstream science, but it makes no sense that the ratio of energy per unit of mass would be the same for all materials, which is where the accepted thinking stands today. Yes, it is outside the box, but seems completely reasonable. So if you consider single atoms of the various elements lined up, you would have hydrogen as element #1 and having the highest ratio of energy per unit of mass. Of course an atom of oxygen has more gross energy than an atom of hydrogen due to is greater mass, but a lower ratio of energy per unit of mass. Therefore if you had an equal mass or hydrogen and oxygen, the mass of hydrogen would have the greater net energy This would allow us to understand why hydrogen is such an important element in relation to the form and function of universe, as roughly 75% of the physical matter of universe consists of hydrogen......the most plentiful element of universe. This would also explain the importance of water, H2O, in relation to the process of life, as without water there is very little in the way of life. Without water we simply die. The high ratio of energy per molecule of water is mind bending. You only have to consider the fact that most of your energy comes from water and air. Granted food is also important, but it plays a secondary role in relation to the proportional benefits. There is much more to be discussed in relation to energy and our existing perception of what energy actually is, but I hope this answers your question.___

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